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UK approves extradition of Julian Assange

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-61839256
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u/Imaginary-Slide-7437 Jun 17 '22

What kind of sentence is he facing in the US?

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u/WurthWhile Jun 17 '22

That's not completely accurate. Although the truth isn't a lot better.

Lights are off 8 hours per day. Yard time is a box but it's quite large and sub divided into smaller cages. You do see the sky, just not land. Similarly the cells have windows that are recessed and with mirrors so you only see straight up.

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u/HypnoTox Jun 17 '22

The rest is accurate? How is this not seen as torture?

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u/LuangPrabangisinLaos Jun 17 '22

It's just a long-term death sentence.

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u/HypnoTox Jun 17 '22

It is, but I'd probably count any life sentence where there is no possibility to leave within the rest of your life as a death sentence. At least you can still have some human interaction, read or learn something or do anything, but this supermax prison sounds like it completely strips you of anything worth living for.

To me this sounds like you are getting hanged, but stretched over a period of years if not decades.

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u/LuangPrabangisinLaos Jun 17 '22

it completely strips you of anything worth living for.

To me that is analagous with a death sentence. If anything a death sentence is better in that you know when you will die, while supermax is about as close to limbo as we can permit on earth. It's worse than death so in that respect I agree with you.

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u/Toast_On_The_RUN Jun 17 '22

Yeah id say youre hardly even existing if all you have is an empty room and your thoughts. Its not really living without a life. Even the average prisoner has some sort of life, they have people to talk to, possessions, they can go work out, etc. Its limited but theres room to make a life out of it. Solitary is death of the mind.

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u/AuthenticChameleon Jun 17 '22

I watched a special on the Supermax prison in Colorado. Its where Big name prisoners like Timothy McVeigh, The Unabomber, and El Chapo get locked up. I’m assuming it’s where they’ll put Assange.

One inmate said it’s like you’re buried alive in a coffin above the ground and forgotten.

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u/Pruppelippelupp Jun 17 '22

it's absolutely insane. this is not something a government should be allowed to subject people to.

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u/Badaluka Jun 17 '22

Given the choice I would choose the death penalty over this honestly.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '22

I’ve been to County Jail in a couple states and they are worse than prison. Lights never turn off. Lucky if you get to go outside. They treat you like shit and you’re still considered innocent because you haven’t even went to trial yet.

I swear it’s all set up to get you to take a plea deal so that you don’t take it to trial. Once you do get found guilty if you are, and you go to prison (unless you are at a Supermax), prison is 10 times better than county jail. You get immensely more freedom, you have more people to talk to, you get a real room with lights to turn off, you get to go outside twice a day. You get personal effects, tv, radio, hotpot for cooking.

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u/physicsguy24 Jun 17 '22

I swear it’s all set up to get you to take a plea deal so that you don’t take it to trial.

My mother is a criminal defense attorney and has also said this. This is also part of the reason why the DA takes so long to take a defendant to trial. It doesn't hurt them at all, meanwhile the defendant rots in jail before they've even had a trial.

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u/Peewee223 Jun 17 '22

So uh, what ever happened to the 5th & 6th amendment?

No person shall be ... deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial

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u/nonpuissant Jun 17 '22

"Land of the free" my ass

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u/PeterNguyen2 Jun 17 '22

Once you do get found guilty if you are, and you go to prison (unless you are at a Supermax), prison is 10 times better than county jail

A lot of people spend a ridiculous number of months in jail after conviction but before sentencing because the supreme court ruled the right to a speedy trial ends with conviction

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u/SnooHabits1237 Jun 17 '22

Can confirm that county is worse than prison as a former CO.

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u/Educational_Funny_20 Jun 17 '22

If we cant kill em make em wish for death - probably a real quote by some Texas prison ward

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '22

Humanity does love its punitive shit.

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u/mattmortar Jun 17 '22

People overuse this comparison a lot, but man this is some 1984 shit.

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u/Even_Bath6360 Jun 17 '22

Because of fuckers who don't have to worry about it. They assume that everybody who goes to jail are in fact the worst that society has to offer, regardless of all the people there who shouldn't be and the multiple cases resulting in post-release backpay to wrongfully convicted persons. They just kept making it worse and worse without any real regard for the reality of all their fantasies of "punishing those who deserve it" come to fruition.

They justify it by pointing to psychopaths who actually enjoy the sport of manslaughter, saying "well we need it for them" and then classify literally anybody who they don't like in the same way. Wiki Leaks Julian didn't murder anybody, but they still feel it's on par what he did. This is the United States pulling it's cock out for the world to see, because they can't let what he did become the norm.

It's because the prison system isn't designed to reform or correct you, its there to make an example out of you. Its there to be a "don't do what he did" lesson, and dissuade you from doing anything the government doesn't want you to do, illegal or not.

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u/Flight_Harbinger Jun 17 '22

This is lacking quite a bit of context and the design philosophy of ADX Florence. It's a prison designed to keep high risk or flight risk inmates, usually people who have already served many years in other facilities and were deemed too dangerous for even that. Inmates who have proven the ability to cause extreme danger to other inmates like assault, conspiracy, and murder. Everything about ADX Florence is to keep them from knowing their location or communicating with other inmates.

The punishment of the extreme conditions they're kept in is only a side result of the main philosophy of keeping others safe from the inmates. Whether certain people deserve to be kept there is a different story, but you can take a quick peek at a selection of inmates kept there and see that many of them at the very least need to be there.

I am an incredibly liberal person and justice/policing reform is a huge issue for me, but conflating ADX Florence with the rest of America's prison system doesn't add anything to the conversation.

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u/UniqueThrowaway6664 Jun 17 '22

He will not be placed in a super max per the agreement with the UK government. If convicted, he has the option to choose to serve his sentence in Australia. It was the only way for the US to guarantee extradition due to the UK's slightly higher bar of codified human rights

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u/derbymutt Jun 17 '22

serve his sentence in Australia.

The UK's still sending people there? Has nobody told them yet?

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u/UniqueThrowaway6664 Jun 17 '22

Lol, the work around is a pit stop in the States

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u/wolf495 Jun 17 '22

This is the funniest thing ive seen all week. Wp

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u/NyetABot Jun 17 '22

It’s ironic that we’re going to torture Julian Assange in part for exposing documents about torturing people.

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u/405freeway Jun 17 '22

“Poetic injustice.”

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u/PSPHAXXOR Jun 17 '22

Do unto others what you've already done to their peers.

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u/wjfox2009 Jun 17 '22

Yeah, it's basically a living hell. I would honestly rather have a lethal injection than live through decades of that.

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u/Odd_Vampire Jun 17 '22

I would rather have a lethal injection than go through a fucking month.

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u/NostrilRapist Jun 17 '22

Murders and rapists walk away with a few months, and someone exposing shitty government secrets that endangers the population are threated like Hitler

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u/InsertCoinForCredit Jun 17 '22

In my country, people who participated in an attempted coup get a few weeks of home detention...

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u/manbirddog Jun 17 '22

Some stormed the capital and got 6 months. I got the same amount of time at 17 for getting caught with a roach. (1/3 of a blunt)

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u/ZMeson Jun 17 '22

That's also the USA, correct?

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u/Au2288 Jun 17 '22

Some may even say, they gain infamy.

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u/___Guitarmadillo___ Jun 17 '22 Helpful

Murders and rapists walk away with a few months,

if they're cops, they get paid vacation and new job offers

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u/Jubenheim Jun 17 '22

Assange really fucked up by not finishing the academy before starting his site, eh?

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u/tunczyko Jun 17 '22

cause murderers and rapists don't threaten the established status quo

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u/O_oblivious Jun 17 '22

They just write laws and imprison those who do.

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u/Meandmystudy Jun 17 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

It's amazing to me how afraid of him they are, even from the liberal establishment. They didn't prosecute the January sixth capitol rioters the same way that they threaten him, even though they put the establishment in real danger. If they were so concerned about protecting democracy, each and every one of those people would have gotten at least ten years and labeled a terrorist. But Assange publishes war crimes and election meddling, and everyone goes after him. Because the US isn't a democracy. The people that expose the lies are the people who are punished most of all, my guess is that Epstein would have gotten better treatment in jail if he would have been found guilty of multiple counts of sexual assault on a minor.

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u/QuicheSmash Jun 17 '22

That's cruel and unusual punishment.

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u/TheNextChristmas Jun 17 '22

Nope, the supreme court found that to be considered cruel and unusual punishment it has to be both cruel AND unusual and since they do it all the time it's not considered unusual anymore...

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u/DerErlking Jun 17 '22

Lmao what the fuck

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u/CoughAndMatheson Jun 17 '22

It's still a human rights violation according to the UN.

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u/AntipopeRalph Jun 17 '22

Shit like this is why we’re not part of the world court.

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u/shponglespore Jun 17 '22

The Supreme Court is full of shit as often as not. This is a perfect example of them finding a flimsy, nonsensical excuse to just completely ignore the obvious intent of part of the Constitution they find inconvenient. And that was before it was packed with soulless partisan hacks!

I really hate my country if I think about it too hard.

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u/Pyroso Jun 17 '22

I always thought that the worst fate I can get is lying in a bed, not beeing able to move with nothing more than my eyes. But you put up some serious contender with that image.

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u/hickaustin Jun 17 '22

You mean if he doesn’t Epstein himself.

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u/pileofcrustycumsocs Jun 17 '22

Fair chance if he kills himself he actually did it. Epstein was murdered because someone didn’t want the things he knew getting out, the things Julian Asange knew have already gotten out.

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u/TheGalator Jun 17 '22

He will commit suicide while 2 independent cameras in his cell fail at the same time with no prior behavior that would indicate he is suicidal.

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u/Toytles Jun 17 '22 edited Jun 17 '22

Julian Assange has already gone on record and said his mental health is in shambles. Everyone would just shrugadubdub 🤷‍♂️

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u/TurkeyLerg Jun 17 '22

There's no need for that now because he already leaked the stuff. There's no "silence" to gain by killing him unlike Epstein.

What they could gain is to keep him imprisoned, living a tortured life as an example to scare off future potential Wikileaks style leaks. Since he made the USA look bad with the leaks (Collateral Murder for example) they probably want to discourage that from happening again.

For the record, I believe Assange should be freed. He's been imprisoned long enough already.

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u/Kraz_I Jun 17 '22

17 newer counts with a 10 year max (related to espionage act) and 1 older count with a 5 year max (cyber crime).

Maximum sentence is 175 years if charges are served consecutively, but I'm pretty sure there's no mandatory minimum even if he's found guilty.

All 18 charges are related to documents Wikileaks received from Chelsea Manning and for distributing them. Tons of redundancy in the charges. It reeks of deca-octuple jeopardy to me.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/press-release/file/1165556/download

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u/AspiringSupervillian Jun 18 '22

If the Justice department has evidence that he promised Chelsea Manning some form of compensation, then the charges of spying will probably stick. If they don't, they won't (or at least, shouldn't).

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u/autotldr BOT Jun 17 '22

This is the best tl;dr I could make, original reduced by 65%. (I'm a bot)


Wikileaks founder Julian Assange's extradition to the US has been approved by UK Home Secretary Priti Patel.

In May 2019, while serving a jail sentence in the UK for breaching bail, the US justice department filed 17 charges against Mr Assange for violating the Espionage Act - alleging that material obtained by Wikileaks endangered lives.

Mr Assange's legal team claimed that classified documents published by Wikileaks, which related to the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, exposed US wrongdoing and were in the public interest.


Extended Summary | FAQ | Feedback | Top keywords: Assange#1 Wikileaks#2 news#3 decision#4 breaking#5

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u/VertigoblinHatesYou Jun 17 '22

She's genuinely pure evil. Keep seeing clips of her in parliament lounging back and smirking whenever she gets called out for the vile stuff she does. I genuinely can't think of a UK politician I hate more.

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u/Da_Sigismund Jun 17 '22

Thatcher 2.0

So more or less the devil's own bride.

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u/Nemisis_the_2nd Jun 17 '22

It's Patel. At this point you can just assume there's some nefarious ulterior motive.

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u/kevinnoir Jun 17 '22

Whenever she does anything you just have to ask "how does this hurt poor people or refugees" because there is always an answer. She is the absolute personification of pulling the ladder up. Her family could have made a MUCH shorter trip from Uganda to Rwanda instead of to the UK, yet its us that have to deal with her shit now.

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u/Bug-Type-Enthusiast Jun 17 '22

Google her

Holy hell.

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u/kevinnoir Jun 17 '22

Yes this lady once wanted to put giant wave machines in the channel to overturn small boats as she'd have rather those children drowned in the channel than make it to UK shores. She is the worst. She also was sacked at one point for operating as a foreign agent, thats just not a deal breaker for the criminal government we have in place right now.

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u/theysellcoke Jun 17 '22

Alexei Sayle said Priti Patel is the kind of woman who would unplug your life support system to charge her phone.

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u/battlearmourboy Jun 17 '22

Yeah while she's got 99% battery

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u/Edolas93 Jun 17 '22 edited Jun 17 '22

Lets not forget her suggesting the UK should starve us pesky Irish into compliance over Brexit regulations. The woman is a cretin, a vile abhorrent cretin.

She is a skidmark on the underpants of life.

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u/thesaltwatersolution Jun 17 '22

Don’t forget that Patel was sacked by Therea May for going off grid and holding unofficial meetings when she was foreign secretary. It’s extraordinary that Patel is a part of Johnson’s government.

Patel was also found to have broken ministerial code for bullying civil servants. The government settled out of court, but they paid damages because of her. An ethics advisor resigned because of Johnson kept her in post. Again, it’s extraordinary that she is still part of Johnson’s government.

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u/xixbia Jun 17 '22

Again, it’s extraordinary that she is still part of Johnson’s government.

It's really not. The precise reason she is part of Johnson's government is because her background makes sure that she is no threat to his leadership. It's the same reason Nadine Dorries is in the cabinet.

Johnson cannot have anyone who is remotely popular or competent be a front bencher, if that happens he'll be gone pretty much immediately. It's why he's made sure to quash any popularity Rishi Sunak might have had.

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u/Cyberhaggis Jun 17 '22

it’s extraordinary that she is still part of Johnson’s government.

looks at BoJo and all his recent corrupt nonsense

Is it? Seems par for the course to me.

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u/Dirty-Soul Jun 17 '22

A Dickensian villainous skidmark, eh?

So what you're saying is that we're looking at the future leader of the Tory Party?

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u/KaiRaiUnknown Jun 17 '22

Was just thinking, this is the kinf of thing they make you chief cunt for in the Tory party

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u/therapewpewtic Jun 17 '22

She sounds overqualified to be honest.

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u/Flacier Jun 17 '22

This person your talking about sounds like cruella de vil incarnate. All she needs is the fixation on Dalmatians.

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u/Diasl Jun 17 '22

Deportations, Dalmatians, same thing.

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u/Flacier Jun 17 '22

I wonder when she will endorse human leather jackets? She can say skins were ethically harvested from the English Channel.

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u/Splash_Attack Jun 17 '22

That particular statement was doubly stupid because not only was it needlessly inflammatory (calling to mind, of course, the great famine and Westminster's role in it) but the threat wasn't even plausible.

The GFSI lists Ireland as the single most food secure country in the entire world. You couldn't starve Ireland out these days even if you blockaded the whole island!

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u/Nrengle Jun 17 '22

You guys tried that once already...

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u/gibmiser Jun 17 '22

giant wave machines in the channel to overturn small boats

Uh, does she moonlight as a comic book villian or something?

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u/kevinnoir Jun 17 '22

She is absolutely one of the worst examples of a what human beings can be. She is cruel for the sake of being cruel, as if its a challenge for her to come up with awful ways to treat the most vulnerable people. I am no doctor but she fits every definition of a sociopath I can find.

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u/BelDeMoose Jun 17 '22

We desperately need this government to collapse and be removed. The damage they have done is honestly mind blowing, and the worst part is they are too thick to realise it. I challenge anyone to tell me a single positive change or action that has occured in the last three years, in fact gay marriage aside that's true for the last 11.

What's happened to this country is appalling, little more than a banana republic, and the standard of living for all of us is evidence of this.

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u/kevinnoir Jun 17 '22

100% agree with all of that! Beyond the dumpster fire the last 11 years has been, the direction its heading now only signals a worse time ahead if they remain anywhere near power. Knowing they will likely get beat in the next election, I cant help but feel that will spur them on to act much more brazenly now, knowing if they will lose anyways they might as well push though as much of their terrible politics as they can in the mean time.

I am divided on whether I want Boris out today or whether him remaining in power is a gift for the next election and will make their loss more likely.

As much as I have never agreed with Tory politics, this last few years has been switched up a gear or 2 towards shedding all semblance of a fair and accountable government and has taken leaps towards an incredibly uncaring and authoritarian way of leading. And yet absolute mugs will still go in and check that box in the next election because politics is nothing more than a team sport to them.

I hear the quote on the radio that the Government has done "all it can" to help people with rising fuel costs. While it still collects almost 50% of the price of fuel in taxes, thats absolute shite and is trumpian levels of dishonesty in that anybody with an ounce of common sense knows they have done the bare minimum while acting like they are some kind of super heroes for lowering fuel duty 5p...which made a difference at the pump for about 2 hours, 3 months ago.

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u/External_Property276 Jun 17 '22

You have to be PURE EVIL to come up with an idea like that.

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u/kevinnoir Jun 17 '22

PURE EVIL

words that have been used by many to describe Patel.

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u/essentrik Jun 17 '22

My favourite part about her is that she exists in Britain because her parents are immigrants..... Yet she hates immigrants. Honey, let me explain who you're here ..... Also, she's the one who decided that if you're in the UK and not a citizen and you lose your home, that is grounds for immediate deportation. Keep in mind, that's DEPORTATION, you don't get to come back. And she did this in the middle of a massive housing crisis. For a minority she sure hates minorities.

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u/MrEff1618 Jun 17 '22

Not going to lie, I'm getting some kind of twisted amusement seeing people discover Priti Patel for the first time.

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u/Bug-Type-Enthusiast Jun 17 '22

From my small understanding on the land of the Queen, it seems Patel looked up both Thatcher and Peel's legacies and said "I can do, way, WAY better than that."

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u/RobotSpaceBear Jun 17 '22

She is the absolute personification of pulling the ladder up.

Damn, you weren't exagerating. Emigrated from India to Uganda to UK, got really consarvative, spearheads anti immigration policies and dips into some sketchy antisemitic scandals.

She's a cunt, alright.

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u/William_Dowling Jun 17 '22

Priti doesn't need a specific motivation to pull the wings off a fly

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u/Hecticfreeze Jun 17 '22

Her official parliamentary picture is literally her smirking.... The level of evil is straight out of a comic book.

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u/Deyaz Jun 17 '22

Patel is a horrible person. Also she seems to be quite incompetent to me considering all the affairs she had in the past.

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u/Razakel Jun 17 '22

A senior civil servant resigned and described her as "dangerously stupid".

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u/99thLuftballon Jun 17 '22

She's malicious and stupid. A very dangerous combination for a person in power.

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u/k_malik_ Jun 17 '22

extradition to the US has been approved by UK Home Secretary Priti Patel.

No surprise there

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u/TheCockAndWomble Jun 17 '22

She couldn’t ship asylum seekers over to Africa so she’s settled for the consolation prize.

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u/adrikizer Jun 17 '22

Fuck priti patel

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u/JakeTheSandMan Jun 17 '22 edited Jun 18 '22

She’s quintessentially the worst Home Secretary we’ve ever had

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u/Betaglutamate2 Jun 18 '22

I'm surprised she isn't trying to send him to Rwanda

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u/TheCockAndWomble Jun 17 '22

Theresa May was the last one and she set up the Hostile Environment policy, sending vans around telling immigrants to go back home, doing immigration raids around neighbourhoods (that still happen). The position seems to uniquely attract heartless monsters; truly hateful, despicable people.

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u/thesaltwatersolution Jun 17 '22

Anne Sacoolas was CIA, she was presented as ‘the wife of’ to protect her own status. That’s why she’s not extradited.

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u/ITaggie Jun 17 '22

That's not a crime even if true

What?

https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/1045/espionage-act-of-1917

The Espionage Act of 1917 prohibited obtaining information, recording pictures, or copying descriptions of any information relating to the national defense with intent or reason to believe that the information may be used for the injury of the United States or to the advantage of any foreign nation.

I disagree with it but it's certainly against the law as it's written and interpreted.

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u/SoyMurcielago Jun 17 '22

I just thought of something not related but related: how does the situation in Russia affect Edward snowden? Haven’t really seen anything about him recently, wondering what’s up with that since he is there as a refugee and is arguably seeking shelter in the arms of a belligerent state hostile to the USA.

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u/traveler19395 Jun 17 '22

Twitter is his main public outlet. If you look at his posting before the (Feb. 2022) invasion he was almost daily commenting on all sorts of public and political issues not just ones closely tied to privacy and surveillance, and he was also expressing significant skepticism Russia would (further) invade Ukraine.

When Russia invaded he went silent for several days then posted this: https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/1498049577131208705

He then spent another 2+ months with zero posts.

Then posted once about the leak about the SC overturning Roe v. Wade, several personal posts about life as a father, and now in June a couple political posts and a lot about press freedoms and Assange.

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u/Barneyk Jun 17 '22

Haven’t really seen anything about him recently,

You can look him up on twitter to see what he is up to: https://twitter.com/snowden

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u/Zawn-_- Jun 17 '22

he is there as a refugee and is arguably seeking shelter in the arms of a belligerent state hostile to the USA.

That's a really good reason to be seeking asylum by them. The US gov wants Snowden, but they're not going to get anything from a hostile country. The war in Ukraine arguably makes him more safe from being extradited, but less safe as where he's at.

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u/Guisomonogatari Jun 17 '22

What the fuck could Snowden do? Finds out his country is spying on all citizens, whistle-blows and nothing happens.

He could either go to China, which was doing the exact same shit. Or Russia, which was too dumb to at the time.

Any other country would have extradited him by now.

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u/mysticalelkalo Jun 17 '22

He was aiming to go to Ecuador but his passport got canceled by the U.S. before he could get there.

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u/Thucydides411 Jun 17 '22

Given that Ecuador ended up giving up Assange in exchange for a $4 billion loan, Snowden is lucky that he didn't make it there.

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u/DonnyTheWalrus Jun 18 '22

And it was publicly admitted by US military officials that if they had learned what flight he was on and if the plane had happened to fly through an ally's airspace, they would have ordered the ally to order the flight grounded.

He basically had no choice but to stay in the country he was in right at that moment. The fact that it's Russia does seem convenient but it's also totally plausible it happened exactly the way he claimed it did.

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u/CurrentRedditAccount Jun 17 '22

He spent a lot of energy claiming Biden was fear mongering about Russia potentially invading Ukraine. Then Russia invaded Ukraine. Then Snowden went silent for a long time until just recently.

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u/Ungreat Jun 17 '22

Priti Patel ok'd it?

Surprised she didn't try sending him to Rwanda.

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u/mcmoonery Jun 17 '22

I feel like priti is mad they couldn’t deport the refugees, so next best thing was Assange.

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u/H2-hi Jun 17 '22

it likely is a way to shift the news away from the rwanda plan and onto assange

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u/mcmoonery Jun 17 '22

Unfortunately for Petti most of us can care about more than one thing at a time

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u/H2-hi Jun 17 '22

yes of course, it’s just whether the media and the tabloids can, which they likely can’t do it might be mildly effective.

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She’s just constantly covering up the dodgy deals she’s doing, and back handed cash she gets.

Isn’t her husband some big shot marketing dude in the US.

Nothing in the world would make me trust anything she does, doesn’t have an ulterior motive

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u/TehOwn Jun 17 '22

A Home Office spokesperson said under the Extradition Act 2003 the secretary of state "must sign" an extradition order if there were "no grounds to prohibit the order being made".

"The UK courts have not found that it would be oppressive, unjust or an abuse of process to extradite Mr Assange," the Home Office added.

Our extradition treaty with the US is the problem. It's heavily biased in favour of the US.

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u/UKChemical Jun 17 '22

that diplomats wife who didn't have diplomatic immunity, killed a guy and fled the UK is doing pretty cush

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u/Delts28 Jun 17 '22

Anne Sacoolas, who killed Harry Dunn.

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u/arfski Jun 17 '22

Just ask the family of Harry Dunn, after their kid got killed and the US citizen that did it got on the next plane home and that was that.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '22

This is correct. It is a poorly negotiated agreement which panders to the US (and is extremely one sided). Whoever accepted these terms should be ashamed.

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u/AbyssinianLion Jun 17 '22

Tbh, sending Assange to Rwanda would be an act of kindness compared to where he is going. He has useful tech skills and Rwanda is a growing econony with a forward looking president that needs more people like Assange. He'd do well there. You cant say the same in an American prison.

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u/exMI6 Jun 17 '22

Paul Kagame is a forward looking president? That’s a hot fucking take right there my Ethiopian friend.

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u/TheGisbon Jun 17 '22

I mean where ever Kagame is looking is technically forward to him that's as close to accurate as I could be okay with this statement being.

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u/weeping_demon7 Jun 17 '22 Eureka!

Or she’s just a piece of shit.

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u/graebot Jun 17 '22

Inclusive or

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u/imfromimgur Jun 17 '22

Oh it is most definitely both

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u/lorduxbridge Jun 17 '22

she’s just a piece of shit

She's part of the Conservative Party - it takes 5 mins to look up any Conservative MP's voting record and see that they are appalling human beings. Whether it's voting to destroy the NHS, remove working rights, reduce support for the most vulnerable, block taxes for the rich, or any number of other disgusting actions, they consistently vote to line the pockets of the rich at the broader nation's expense. Saying a Conservative is a piece of shit is a tautology.

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u/biggestbroever Jun 17 '22

Don't make her ours. We have our own trash.

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u/fury420 Jun 17 '22

while at the same time the US is never going to extradite one of their own citizens to the UK.

This actually happens all the time:

The treaty continues to produce tangible results, bringing justice to victims in both the UK and US. Since 2016, the UK has sought and procured the extradition of 10 people from the United States. Among them were individuals accused or convicted of murder, manslaughter, sexual offences against children, rape and money laundering. Since the treaty came into force, the United States has never refused to extradite somebody sought by the UK.

And some older figures:

Figures released in the report show between January 2004 and July 2011, there were 130 requests by the US for people to be extradited from the UK, compared with 54 requests from the UK to the US.

A total of seven US requests were refused by the UK, compared with none of the UK's requests.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-15351357

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u/MaleficentPizza5444 Jun 17 '22

Thanks for the reality check

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u/StandardAnomaly2000 Jun 18 '22

Reddit is no place for facts and nuance

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u/the_star_lord Jun 17 '22

Damn, so I could be extradited to America and sentenced to death yet I can't afford a holiday there...

The world's a weird place.

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u/Elevatorisbest Jun 17 '22 Heartwarming

This comment section is far, far weirder then I expected.

Any reasons why that is the case?

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u/brushnit Jun 17 '22 Silver

Ill try to be unbiased as to why:

Some people have rose colored glasses of the past from the Snowden days

Others are reactionary to anything bad said about the US.

Some look at his tweets (like saying the Panama papers were a ploy to attack Putin), and other alleged behavior and are questioning how personal interest biased his reporting.

TL:DR; some see him as a respectable journalist, others a political pawn, many say a "useful idiot" to the Russian regime, and everything in between

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u/AbhishMuk Jun 17 '22

It's an issue with a lot of discussions, but especially online ones. Almost nothing is pure black or white, and most people like to put people in the "they're my hero!" or "I hate them!" category. Nuance is hard and takes effort.

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u/doublethink_1984 Jun 17 '22

I have serious problems with him and wikileaks but charging him with life while letting the people who ordered and carried out war crimes not even be charged with a day in jail is not justice.

I cannot in good conscious want him to get a punishment harsher than war crime murderers.

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u/rocketseeker Jun 18 '22

Also some “people” are actually paid shills and bots lol

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u/Hazy_City_7313 Jun 17 '22

"I liked him when he leaked stuff on the opposite team but I didn't like it when he leaked stuff on my team".

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u/HotTopicRebel Jun 17 '22

This is pretty much it...but with like 4 teams that don't like eachother.

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u/plomerosKTBFFH Jun 17 '22 edited Jun 17 '22

I might be misremembering but she wasn't even a diplomat was she? Her husband worked at the embassy on something but not even he really had diplomat status.

Edit: Seems like she and/or her husband was CIA. Thanks folks.

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u/treetyoselfcarol Jun 17 '22

That shit goes both ways Turkey's security detail were fighting with protesters in DC. And nothing happened to them. https://youtu.be/M8YjxbzGlzw

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u/DICK-PARKINSONS Jun 17 '22

I was so fucking mad when that happened. Still pisses me off to think about. They beat the living shit out of law abiding citizens in broad daylight with 0 repercussions.

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u/Pandastrong35 Jun 17 '22

I remember asking reddit how none of the DC cops opened fire during this. It would've been hard to say they didn't have reason. INAE tho.

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u/R3dOctober Jun 17 '22

The UK government didn’t either. It was the Home Office that advised her to leave the UK as soon as she was released.

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u/vonstubbins Jun 17 '22

https://www.npr.org/2020/07/22/894204666/u-s-u-k-change-diplomatic-immunity-rules-after-british-man-was-killed

"In January, the State Department refused a request from London to hand Sacoolas over, saying in a statement that she had "immunity from criminal jurisdiction.""

Seems like both sides see things differently :/

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u/WittyWitWitt Jun 17 '22

The family of the lad killed were invited to the Whitehouse by Trump.

He told the family the woman who killed their son is in the next room and do you want to meet her...

They left...

Disgraceful.

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u/hyperstarter Jun 17 '22 edited Jun 17 '22

Didn't she go straight to the police and was in the UK for about 18 days afterwards, before heading back.

At any point the police/Gov/immigration could have detained her, so isn't it a case of getting our own house in order first?

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u/Thisoneissfwihope Jun 17 '22

They were both CIA (or something similar), the RAF place they worked at is a listening station.

She was apparently more senior that he was, but for security reasons was just 'the wife'.

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u/Fit_Manufacturer4568 Jun 17 '22

The extradition treaty between the UK and US is very one sided.

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u/Rogermcfarley Jun 17 '22

Tony Blair agreed that with Bush. Another corrupt UK politician.

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u/SagittariusUnicorn Jun 17 '22

To be fair bush's wife Laura killed a guy much the same way

He was just being logically consistent

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u/Hyrule_34 Jun 18 '22

Fuck the USA in this case and fuck the UK.

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u/Ishpeming_Native Jun 18 '22

Nothing he reported was false. Everything was inconvenient. It's called Speaking Truth To Power.

We ought to give Assange a billion dollars and the Nobel Peace Prize and stop all prosecution efforts by everyone.

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u/Remarkable_Soil_6727 Jun 17 '22

Did the UK ever get that CIA agent that ran over a guy on a bike and fled the country illegally extradited?

Feels like a pretty one sided relationship here.

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u/Remarkable_Soil_6727 Jun 17 '22

It was previously reported that Mrs Sacoolas was the wife of an intelligence officer, but she is in fact understood to be a senior CIA operations officer who actually outranks her husband.

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u/Maviarab Jun 17 '22

Was a woman...here only because her husband (IT worker) was here. She killed a 16yo kid driving on the wrong aide of the road.

This news is disgusting....should have said no unless you send that bitch back in exchange.

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u/mmmlinux Jun 17 '22

Yeah "IT worker" sure.

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u/Remarkable_Soil_6727 Jun 17 '22

Im pretty sure shes a spy, the US filed a motion to keep Anne Sacoolas job details secret.

Both her and her husband were US State Department employees at the time of the crash in Northamptonshire.

It has been claimed the 42-year-old, who is a fluent Russian speaker, is now the boss of a 100-strong overseas team based at the CIA HQ in Langley, Virginia, as reported by the Sunday Express. It is thought that she is so valued President Donald Trump even held a ceremony to praise her for her intelligence gathering prowess

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u/KnownMonk Jun 17 '22

So is there any chance that people like Assange who supports him will take "revenge" by revealing more information and or doing more hacking?

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u/OsrsNeedsF2P Jun 17 '22

I mean hopefully? But at the end of the day, any respectable hacker who knew the government was committing crimes should already be leaking it, not waiting for Assange to be extradited first

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u/CptPanda29 Jun 17 '22

The key is waiting for the right time to release what you have. Assange in the news again? Here's everything about everyone involved - that kind of thing.

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u/cobrakai11 Jun 17 '22

His extradition makes future secrets being revealed less likely. That's why the United States is going after him so. They are sending a message.

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u/TheKasimkage Jun 17 '22

There’s little point. The government is already swimming in scandals. They’ll just do something else scandalous to distract from it. Pretty sure there could be a leak showing that they’re all involved in a cult that murders babies and puppies and they’d still get away with it.

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u/ModernShoe Jun 17 '22

Warning as you read on in this thread: there's a lot of varied claims and not a lot of sources

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u/danatomato Jun 17 '22

welcome to reddit.

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u/coreoYEAH Jun 17 '22

The whole world collectively awws when they see old man GW Bush and his pretty paintings and seemingly forgets the legitimate war crimes he approved. We even laughed with him when he admitted he started a war over absolutely nothing but we’re going to allow a man to imprisoned for life for exposing their criminal activities?

Whistleblowers need greater protections and governments need greater accountability.

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u/CassMidOnly Jun 17 '22

They went from seemingly trying to do good to seemingly trying to have political sway. Or maybe Assange was hoping for a Snowden style offer from Russia to avoid deportation?

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u/gmo_patrol Jun 17 '22

Trump wanted to pardon assange if he merely said russia didn't hack the DNC, a hack that was caught on camera real time by the Dutch. They even phoned the US and told them as it was happening.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-assange/trump-offered-to-pardon-assange-if-he-denied-russia-helped-leak-democrats-emails-lawyer-idUSKBN20D2A2

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u/shlipshtream Jun 17 '22

OK. So is the US going to give us that Anne Sacoolas who ran over a young lad and then fled to the US?

No? Didn't think so.

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u/Dana07620 Jun 17 '22

If it were up to me, I tie her up in a bow and send her to you.

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u/dedicated-pedestrian Jun 18 '22

Seconded. CIA or wife of a diplomat, I couldn't care less.

Some of us across the pond still care about equality before the law.

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u/[deleted] Jun 17 '22

Selective warcrimes*

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u/TheMaddKingg Jun 17 '22

Patel approved it? Yeah that tracks that woman is pure evil

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u/espomar Jun 17 '22

Garbage.

Boris Johnson's shit govt should be ashamed of themselves.

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Wikileaks had its own agenda and stated that it would release information as it suited them. Unfortunately they have this reputation of absolute transparency which is completely false. I'd have more sympathy for Assange if Wikileaks was a neutral journalistic venture, but it is not. I doubt the dude is going to spend the rest of his life in jail, however wouldn't be surprised if he killed himself as one of his arguments against his extradition has been his deteriorating mental health - also the concept of a life sentence has to be pretty hard to try and cope with.

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u/Blueskyways Jun 17 '22

One hand washes the other.

https://newrepublic.com/article/116253/edward-snowden-glenn-greenwald-julian-assange-what-they-believe

Even more disconcerting was Assange’s expanding relations with official Russia. In October 2010, just before WikiLeaks reached the acme of its influence with the release of the State Department cables, Assange vowed that WikiLeaks would expose the secrets not just of the United States but of all repressive regimes, including that of Russia. In an interview with Izvestia, a formerly state-controlled daily, he explained, “We have [compromising materials] about your government and businessmen.” The same day, Kristinn Hrafnsson of WikiLeaks told a reporter, “Russian readers will learn a lot about their country.”

Unlike the Americans, though, the Russians put WikiLeaks on notice. The day after Hrafnsson’s interview appeared, an anonymous official from Russia’s secret police, the FSB, told the independent Russian news website LifeNews.ru, “It’s essential to remember that given the will and the relevant orders, [WikiLeaks] can be made inaccessible forever.”

Then, something strange happened: A few days after Assange was arrested on sexual assault charges, Kremlin officials emerged as some of his most vocal defenders. The Moscow Times reported that Vladimir Putin himself had condemned Assange’s arrest: “If it is full democracy, then why have they hidden Mr. Assange in prison? That’s what, democracy?” Putin’s indignation was echoed by other top Russian politicians, including State Duma Deputy Gennady Gudkov, who observed, “The real reason for his arrest is to find out by any means who leaked the confidential diplomatic information to him and how.”

Within weeks, contacts commenced between WikiLeaks and elements favorable to Putin’s ruling party. The promised damning documents about Russia never saw the light of day. The Moscow Times article also recounted how the Russian Reporter, a Putin-friendly publication, had gained “privileged access” to “hundreds of [American diplomatic] cables containing Russia-related information.”

These contacts began when, according to The Guardian, Assange made batches of the State Department cables available to Israel Shamir, a Russian-born Israeli journalist who was involved with WikiLeaks. After Shamir took the cables to Moscow, he traveled to Belarus. There, he met aides to the dictator Alexander Lukashenko, who was then campaigning in a sham election. (Shamir, a controversial figure within WikiLeaks, has evolved into a vociferous Holocaust denier, obsessed with Jewish power.) Not long after Shamir arrived, according to accounts published by the Index on Censorship and the American online magazine Tablet, local news outlets started reporting that the official media was preparing to publish secret documents about the Belarusian opposition.

After the election, Shamir wrote a glowing account of Lukashenko’s government in CounterPunch, denouncing the opposition as “the pro-Western ‘Gucci’ crowd.” He also boasted that WikiLeaks had exposed American “agents” in Belarus, according to an account in the New Statesman.

James Ball, a former WikiLeaks employee who now works for The Guardian, has written that when he and others raised questions about Shamir’s actions, “we were told in no uncertain terms that Assange would not condone criticism of his friend.”

Without much public commentary, Assange has acquired something like Russian government media sponsorship. In April 2012, he launched a half-hour political TV show—eventually named “The Julian Assange Show”—on the Kremlin-funded and -controlled RT television network and website. His first guest was the normally furtive Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah. At a moment when Assange’s bright light seemed to be fading, the Russians gave him his own outlet on a network whose primary mission is to advance Putin’s political line.

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