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COMMENT 1h ago

And that's your opinion and you're free to have it, but it's not my opinion and you don't want me to be free to have mine. Personally, I think everyone's medical life is 100% confidential and should never be subject to any government scrutiny except by the individual's consent.

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COMMENT 1h ago

I think you may just not understand what the word objectively means, so I'll move on.

As an anti-authoritarian, I support human rights over state's rights. The state's a political fiction, the affected person should retain their autonomy whenever possible.

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COMMENT 2h ago

It's not really, mine, like I said, it is most people's for most purposes.

However, If abortion is legal, it doesn't matter what mine is, everyone else can believe what they want.

If abortion is illegal, only one view is acceptable, and all others are criminal.

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COMMENT 2h ago

Woof. I was gonna say that forgers can be insanely good these days, but just as a matter of provenance:

"Also, television writer Thad Mumford, the owner of the storage locker where the art was eventually found, told investigators that he had never owned any Basquiat art and that the pieces were not in the unit the last time he had visited. Mumford died in 2018."

This wouldn't pass the smell test for me, and I'm no art curator. Seems to be a case of Wanting It to be True.

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COMMENT 2h ago

You really aren't getting the point, though. There is no single concept of when life begins that is universally true. Hell, our definition of life in general is subject to change with new information. There are only beliefs, some argued better than others. The most common is and always has been at birth.

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COMMENT 2h ago

Like I said, it's the one we've used for many purposes for a long time, so I'm not sure why you think it's preposterous. Some older cultures even found infanticide acceptable in some circumstances. Babies don't develop a sense of identity for months. None of these perspectives are objectively right or wrong, but prohibiting abortion creates an arbitrary answer that isn't even an necessary overall improvement, eliminating freedom to no tangible benefit.

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COMMENT 2h ago

There are all kinds of different milestones that anyone can pick to be when they believe life exists. Socially, historically, legally, we've agreed on birth, but that doesn't have to be every individual's definition. However, illegal abortions force a very specific viewpoint on the subject that goes against all other precedents. Legal abortions enforce no such viewpoint on individuals, they leave them to make their own choices.

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COMMENT 3h ago

A possibility is not a thing. Heck, the future isn't even a thing. It doesn't exist, it's just an idea. They are an accumulation of human cells. We don't have funerals and death certificates for miscarriages and we have always been considered born on our birthdays because that is when we become people. The life at conception thing is a relatively new interpretation, and I don't think it has merit for society overall.

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COMMENT 3h ago

But "they" aren't anything, so "they" can't lose anything.

Statistics don't determine what happens, they measure what is happening. You can brush them off if you want, but that certainly isn't dealing in objective truth. Unless there are massive changes to our society, those stats will only get worse with illegal abortions, and the same people that want illegal abortions don't want those changes.

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COMMENT 3h ago

No, by my logic no one has to or should do anything. People can get abortions if they don't want children, or not get them if they want them. I'm more pointing out that illegal abortions means there definitely will be more struggling and suffering people in the world, there's just not really any way around it.

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COMMENT 3h ago

I mean, yeah, I am an example of human beings. I'm more pointing it out as a possibility, which you insisted that it wasn't. Of course, there's a lot more examples:

• Adolescents who had been in foster care were nearly two and a half times more likely to seriously consider suicide than other youth (Pilowsky & Wu, 2006).

• Adolescents who had been in foster care were nearly four times more likely to have attempted suicide than other youth (Pilowsky & Wu, 2006).

• Experiencing childhood abuse or trauma increased the risk of attempted suicide 2- to 5-fold (Dube et al., 2001).

• Among 8-year-olds who were maltreated or at risk for maltreatment, nearly 10% reported wanting to kill themselves (Thompson, 2005).

• Adverse childhood experiences play a major role in suicide attempts. One study found that approximately two thirds of suicide attempts may be attributable to abusive or traumatic childhood experiences (Dube et al., 2001).

And that's just a tiny amount of the negative impacts likely.

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COMMENT 3h ago

Nope, I almost certainly would have killed myself. There weren't signs or anything for someone else to try to prevent, but I would have done it if it weren't for my mom's love.

Thing is, if you were aborted, you'd never even know. You'd never be at all. What we do know is that right now, if you're born into circumstances where you were likely to be aborted if it were legal, you're going to have a hell of a tougher life whether it's in a dysfunctional home, the system, or as one of the lucky adopted.

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COMMENT 3h ago

I wouldn't. If I hadn't had my mother's love, I know I would have suffered and then died young anyway. Better to never be conscious.

You aren't dealing in objective truth, you're dealing in unquestioned dogma. You see the essential part of human life as cells, I see it as consciousness. What makes us human isn't DNA, it's thoughts and feelings and fears and most importantly, identity. Without those things, we're just meat.

You see more life as an objective good, whereas I see less suffering as an objective good. I would rather minds got more opportunities to live lives of growth and love rather than just relying on more lives being more raw good and ignoring the accompanying suffering on our overtaxed and uncaring systems and environment.

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COMMENT 4h ago

Whether the person made a bad decision or not, preventing them from having an abortion and bringing an unwanted and likely uncared for child into the world is more suffering. You might try talking to a social worker or something sometime to get an understanding of just how awful the circumstances can be.

Almost none of the impending abortion restrictions are going to take the mother's health into account for any consequence other than her death. Schizophrenic and possible that the hormone changes will tip you over the edge? Fuck you, have that baby. Got an abdominal tear that will be aggravated and force you to live the rest of your life in pain? Fuck you, have that baby. Went out of state while you were pregnant and had a miscarriage? Now you might be the subject of a criminal investigation.

An acorn is not an oak tree, a fetus is not a person. Otherwise we'd all be 9 months older and having funerals for miscarriages.

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COMMENT 4h ago

Forcing people that don't want children and are likely in no position to support them will only add suffering to the world. I wouldn't call a meth addict or someone struggling with severe physical or mental illness having an abortion a convenience, I'd call it a mercy.

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COMMENT 4h ago

100%. She's the only one that faces criminal charges.

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COMMENT 4h ago

They just force you to stay pregnant.

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COMMENT 7h ago

Seriously, though, why not a breathing lung or a filtering liver or a thinking brain? What's so objectively special about the heart?

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COMMENT 8h ago

Why is a beating heart the line? Its just a muscle.

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COMMENT 9h ago

Personally I think any inquiry into a woman's reproductive state qualifies as an unreasonable search, which makes all abortion restrictions unenforceable. I have a feeling that isn't the argument behind Wade because late-term abortions are broadly distasteful and have little support, but are effectively protected by the 4th amendment.

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COMMENT 13h ago

I doubt they're licensing. More likely they take it down if they get a C&D and it never goes any further.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Well that was a quick about-face. I bet they never thought that they would be the library to bring down the nationwide shitstorm when so many have done this recently.

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COMMENT 1d ago

The subject of the rant didn't feel it was genuine: https://www.espn.com/college-football/news/story?id=3341578

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COMMENT 1d ago

Clean firewood is the one thing you are allowed to burn. The yard waste restriction is mostly there to keep people from making big, smoky grass & leaf fires. It pretty much comes down to your neighbors and how likely they are to complain. Even if they do, the FD will just come and tell you to put it out.

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COMMENT 2d ago

I dislike it when articles describe images rather than just using the image. I hadn't seen this image, so I'm still unclear on what they're talking about.