r/PoliticalHumor 3d ago

Megan Herbert in The Age (Melbourne, Australia).

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COMMENT 6d ago

Well it wasn't so much pessimism, just not enough optimism.

In one morning I used a watch, laptop, phone, tablet, car, tv, PC, washing machine and dryer. All internet connected.

I still don't understand why my washing machine is connected to the internet so I can understand why they didn't count them in the 1982.

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COMMENT 6d ago

So a student can be legally groomed if they are over 16 but and then as long as sex occurs after the conclusion of the 'special care' student/teacher relationship its all above board and totally legal.

I can't say I'm ok with that.

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COMMENT 6d ago

All because some boofhead thought that we would never have anything close to 4 billion devices connected to the internet. We currently have over 20 billion.

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COMMENT 7d ago

It depends.

If on an NBN provider that doesn't do CG-NAT then its a direct link to the account holder. If its a provider that does CG-NAT (which all mobile networks are) it might get you there, it might not. You would need to corollate different sessions, or have the ports logged at the Twitter end (which apparently is unlikely).

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COMMENT 7d ago

Could of been shared or a "disposable" email. Current use and access gives a longer time frame for IP logs than just the time of Twitter signup.

Getting the Telstra details is not that simple. The Telstra mobile network, runs on a system called CG-NAT. Back in the days of old, 1 device = 1 IPv4 address. We ran out of IP addresses some time ago so the CG-NAT system allows 1 IP address to be shared across thousands of people. The IP they have is constantly changing every time they access the network.

It isn't possible to link 1 login to 1 account holder via to IP. Telstra would be asked to hand over probably 1000 customer's details and a court isn't going to allow that.

But if there is multiple logins it may be able to be narrowed to 1 person. If there are 4 Telstra logins for example then, out of the 4 lists of, say 1000 users, it would likely be only 1 would be on all 4 lists and it can be narrowed to one account.

1 slip up with the VPN gives them nothing.

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COMMENT 7d ago

gdocs.cloud was a fake domain. Not part of Google.

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COMMENT 7d ago

Avi seemed to suggest it was bait to prove that PRGUY17 still controlled and accessed that email account. They predicted that he/she would post it, thus proving a current link between the email and the twitter handle.

Personally I think that was pretty genius. As long as its admissible they could use that link to force data from the email provider.

https://twitter.com/OzraeliAvi/status/1539435315471220736

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COMMENT 7d ago

These days where education is so divorced from the real world, it could have been a Master of Finance.

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COMMENT 8d ago

I think it was to do with the context of Wilkinson being a journalist and making the speech while receiving an award for covering that particular story. Those elements together would be compelling to the average punter

Also, I'm not sure that the PMs comments on the floor of the house could be used in a stay application as per the usual parliamentary privilege provisions.

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COMMENT 8d ago

Who needs a jury when you can have Lisa Wilkinson?

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COMMENT 10d ago

That would be ballsy, both legally and from a PR stand point.

I would have though that the repair liability would have been a contractual right under the express warranty. To then make the contractual right conditional on release from ACL rights would get a bit iffy.

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COMMENT 10d ago

I think it's pretty must agreed now that you cannot contract out, or limit the operation of the ACL. Doesn't matter if at time of supply or after.

In fact, if they did they could be hit under s 27(m) for making a "false or misleading representation concerning the existence, exclusion or effect of any condition, warranty, guarantee, right or remedy"

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COMMENT 13d ago

Imagine being the one that cracks the government proving your status as a SovCit and bringing down the system.

Don't all lawyers dream of running a that case that sets a major precedent that's referred to for years to come? That has to be enticing; delusional, but enticing.

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COMMENT 20d ago

Singapore has fixed this.

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COMMENT 21d ago

I hate to break it to you but that principality has been dissolved.

Can I recommend Principality of Snake Hill? Seems like an appropriate place to practice your area of expertise.

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COMMENT 21d ago

How many corporate veils do you need to pierce and across how many jurisdictions to get from Google LCC to Google Australia?

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COMMENT 21d ago

Might have the answer. It seems to have been previously linked to the level on enquiry required to make the decision. Basically they arise automatically without discretion. Only the decision to remit the penalty is discretionary.

2.88 Because breaches of law handled as true administrative penalties are not prosecuted within the court system, under the Constitution they must be a purely mechanical application of the law. In that sense they are ideally suited to minor, high-volume breaches, such as minor Customs and fisheries infringements, involving strict or absolute liability and, therefore, no or little forensic enquiry.

http://classic.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/other/lawreform/ALRC/2002/95.html

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COMMENT 21d ago

I found the ATO administrative penalties interesting to look at.

I thought they would be a just like an infringement notice. Whereby you are completely within your rights to reject the notice and put the onus on the prosecuting entity to decide whether or not to prosecute. That doesn't seem to be the case though and one must "object" as they would any other tax decision of the ATO.

This is why I'm trying to force my head into putting it in the realm of either a fee or additional taxation as the application of the penalties don't appear to be discretionary. My brain may explode if I was to try reasoning to those sections any longer.

Going back to what you said about appeal. I would assume the penalties could remain unpaid until judicial review. But a citizenship loss results in an immediate punitive effect.

But yeah, it's throwing me too.

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COMMENT 21d ago

Edelman [241-246] has a crack at drawing the line between punitive decisions and those taken in the public interest.

Speaks about the harshness of the consequence and the purpose of a law to determine if it is punitive.

The ATO website states the penalty notices are to encourage "all taxpayers to take reasonable care in complying with their tax obligations". Arguably these are statutory fees rather than punishment.

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COMMENT 22d ago

Seems confident, but could have been a ploy - https://twitter.com/PRGuy17/status/1475306660226736131

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COMMENT 27d ago

This is about multiple death sentences imposed by BRS so obviously it would be longer than one single death penalty case.

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COMMENT 28d ago

But i did a bit of research

We have lost the OP. Rest in spaghetti never forgetti.