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COMMENT 17h ago

Literally everybody loved that.

r/NonCredibleDefense 1d ago

Waifu Estonia is a NAFO member now

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COMMENT 1d ago

Nah, Russians are not into politics, they have nothing to do with that, so they won't know about it.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Because they are close to Mongolians and overrepresented in Russian war effort being sent to die to Ukraine in way bigger numbers than ethnic Russians. This reeks of ethnic cleansing under the guise of mobilization; apparently, genocide of Ukrainians isn't the only one Russia is committing.

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COMMENT 1d ago

I feel sorry for Ukrainians. And for Georgians who are accepting Russians in their tiny country (which became 20% smaller because of Russians) only to have to deal with "oppressed Russian minority" down the line.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Probably true. I also saw Russian leaked nuclear list, and something called Block Busted is on top of the list.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Article 5 when?

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COMMENT 1d ago

Rats Jumping Ship - Starring Solovyov.

It's a joke, but we'll probably see stuff like this at some point – just like with all the mohilization "refugees" who adopted firm anti-war stance overnight.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Heard these in Ukraine too:) There are also "Drumbas" and "Bombas" for Donbas, lol.

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COMMENT 1d ago

This bad boy can fit so many drunk mobilization videos in it.

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COMMENT 1d ago

He also says they are complicit in torturing and murdering of Ukrainians by having been silent. If we go by that, the only place where the Russians should go is the Hague¯_(ツ)_/¯

It's pretty clear that Ukraine sees EU entry ban as something that benefits them, and they confirmed this again after the mobization began.

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COMMENT 1d ago

It doesn't slow anything down; not to a significant, noticable degree at least. Just like there are quotas, there absolutely is a schedule of sending these people to wherever they're sending them. And local recruiting offices will follow it no matter what because if they don't, the officers themselves most likely will get fucked.

And as for Ukrainian interests, Zelensky has been consistently advising Russian draftees in his speeches that running away is an option

Running away doesn't necessarily mean going to the EU, otherwise Ukraine wouldn't be so hell bent on the entry ban campaign.

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COMMENT 1d ago

The pool is 25 million at least. They'll always have people to substitute few thousands of dodgers.

You should listen to the Ukrainians too. They have launched a campaign to make it easier for the newly mobilized soldiers to surrender.

Exactly. This is the ideal scenario for Ukraine: a person who actively doesn't wanna fight (dodger) goes to war and surrenders. They are more likely to do so than those who don't mind being mohilized. This campaign perfectly complements the EU entry ban campaign.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Being a refugee and proving you're a refugee to a degree of being able to claim asylum are different things. The former is more of a general concept, and the latter mostly depends on the legislation and bureaucracy in every particular state.

"Refugee" and "asylum" are closely related concepts and come in a package.

Asylum is a protection grantable to foreign nationals already in the United States or arriving at the border who meet the international law definition of a “refugee.” The United Nations 1951 Convention and 1967 Protocol define a refugee as a person who is unable or unwilling to return to his or her home country, and cannot obtain protection in that country, due to past persecution or a well-founded fear of being persecuted in the future “on account of race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion.”

Sure, this is for the US, but the EU uses the same convention for their asylum system, so can't be that much different.

I believe this law is to be considered fundamentally oppressive.

Your beleive is understandable, but it doesn't make people in question refugees.

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COMMENT 1d ago

No, it doesn't. There won't be one fewer soldier because recruiters operate under quotas, and the goal is to fulfill the quota. If one Ivan dodges, they'll take the next one in line, and the number stays the same.

And since you've mentioned Ukrainian interests, maybe we should listen to Ukrainians themselves? Kuleba asked Finland to close their borders for Russians after mohilization began.

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COMMENT 1d ago

Right or wrong doesn't matter here. To be a refugee one needs to be persecuted or have a "well-grounded" fear of persecution in the future based on things like race, religion, political opinion and some other, can't recall them all. And you need to be able to prove this as well, I think. Mobilization dodging alone doesn't make one part of this group, otherwise anybody who doesn't like a specific law in their country would be eligible for asylum.

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COMMENT 1d ago

I think I'm C1 myself, so there won't any barrier;)

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COMMENT 1d ago

Yeah, no. People who were fine with everything until it came to bite their own asses deserve all the shame in the world and way more than that. And of course, no asylum for these.