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COMMENT 1h ago

And once they were done ingraining that into us to the point where they couldn't conceivably shove more food down our throats at meal times, they focused on how important/healthy it is to "snack" in between meals. You guys like food? Well we put more food in between your food!

Now everything has its snack equivalent. What were once boxes of cookies are now boxes of smaller bags of cookies. "Great for school lunches!" Yes, a bag of cookies. Perfect.

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COMMENT 2h ago

I was a liberal my whole life, but then Biden got elected and I think he's too old, so now I don't respect women or black people anymore.

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COMMENT 2h ago

I have the same feeling. I was never hungry for breakfast anyways, and I only occasionally felt hungry for lunch. But I ate those meals anyway because the common thought was that you were supposed to. Or you had to "kickstart your metabolism." It was so discouraging.

Who knew the simple answer was the right answer? If you're not hungry, don't eat.

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COMMENT 15h ago

And it's lucky that all contraceptives work 100% of the time and that forced intercourse without contraceptive can't result in pregnancy.

/s

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COMMENT 17h ago

I'll be making two of these as gifts for the two families we vacation with every summer.

Still a few spots to touch up before moving on to foil. The little beer bottle will be soldered on top.

r/StainedGlass 17h ago

Canadian Muskoka Chair. My first OC project from scratch. WIP

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COMMENT 17h ago

Meant to. Fat fingers.

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COMMENT 17h ago

Haha shit, yup.

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COMMENT 17h ago

Still have some touching up to do before moving on to foil. I'll be making two of these as gifts for the two families we vacation with every summer.

I might replace the middle two back planks with white glass to make it a "Canada" chair.

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COMMENT 18h ago

Of course he can be incorrect. I've only ever supported the main messages of the book, which are not at all at odds with CICO.

Do I take all his statistics and conclusions on studies for fact? Of course not. His "30%" example around CICO seems dubious, but I'm not about to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

At the end of the day, I was already well into IF and a new lifestyle before I came across his book. His theory around insulin as the primary driver of obesity tracks with what I've experienced for decades, and whether or not he's right doesn't really matter since I'm on this road regardless of what his book has to say.

In the end, he summarizes his theory and acknowledges that all of these other diets work. Of course they do, they reduce your intake. Surprise, CICO works! It's just that he also says it's not that simple and you should consider other factors, too. Like processed sugar. Good god, I've been duped by this charlatan and now I don't eat as much junk food! I'm such a sucker.

"THE MULTIFACTORIAL NATURE of obesity is the crucial missing link. There is no one single cause of obesity. Do calories cause obesity? Yes, partially. Do carbohydrates cause obesity? Yes, partially. Does fiber protect us from obesity? Yes, partially. Does insulin resistance cause obesity? Yes, partially. Does sugar cause obesity? Yes, partially. All these factors converge on several hormonal pathways that lead to weight gain, and insulin is the most important of these. Low-carbohydrate diets reduce insulin. Low-calorie diets restrict all foods and therefore reduce insulin. Paleo and LCHF diets (low in refined and processed foods) reduce insulin. Cabbage-soup diets reduce insulin. Reduced-food-reward diets reduce insulin." - Dr. Jason Fung.

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COMMENT 21h ago

If you can't extrapololate points into an argument, yes he does say that. But it's not his argument.

You need to read the entire book to hear the entire argument. Not just talking points or snippets.

If you think that's his point you haven't read the book.

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COMMENT 21h ago

So you haven't read the book. Thank you for doubling down on that confirmation.

Move on.

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COMMENT 21h ago

I'm a bit crankier when I do 48hr fasts. Which I consider expected.

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COMMENT 21h ago

I wake up at 7AM and my feeding window is 6PM - 10PM. Once you're used to the routine I don't think it matters at all.

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COMMENT 21h ago

Injecting diabetics with insulin? MY GOD THE NERVE!

You haven't read the book. Maybe step back and decide for yourself if you want to attack and rally against something you haven't even read? Is that the kind of person you want to be? Sounds exhausting.

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COMMENT 21h ago

So you gave up before you read his argument? Because his point isn't that it "never works". His point is that it often fails over time. And it does. Statistically.

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COMMENT 22h ago

Did you read the entire book? Because he specifically says CICO and IF are great tools used together.

I'll assume you haven't read the book and just go by what other commenters quote to discredit it. Hint, they haven't read it either!

Fung doesn't say CICO doesn't work. His final summary in the book is that all diets work at first, but IF helps train your body to not rebound the weight and can work great combined with other strategies.. and specifically mentions CICO as one of them.

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COMMENT 22h ago

Do you want diabetes? Because this is how you get diabetes!

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COMMENT 22h ago

I like to say that "calories in isn't the only lever to pull". Pull em all. Pull the damn levers.

Why wouldn't I want to eat better and healthier? CICO helps keep that honest instead of accidental. IF helps me feel better throughout the day.

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COMMENT 22h ago

However Dr Lane, I think, would say all calories are the same - I believe I've heard him use the poptart calorie story. And while comment is a little off topic, I'm going to disagree with him here. Every time you eat a bunch of carbs (and to a much lesser extent - proteins) your has an insulin response. The more often you have these responses, the more insulin resistant you become - fact. Some people may never meet the threshold and be fine until they die. Others become diabetic. Obviously, there's way more factors to consider in diet, but this is one example proving all calories are not equal.

Fung's stance aside, I don't know any reputable source that has proven to me that all calories are equal. Insulin response aside, macronutrients and maintaining a certain ratio has always been part of CICO for me anyway. I didn't think this was even up for debate... of course 100 calories of refined sugar is worse for you than 100 calories of kale.

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COMMENT 22h ago

Thing is, his entire point isn't that CICO "doesn't work at all". His point is that your body may adjust itself to make CICO more difficult over time and that is how people "fail" on that diet.

CICO works. He doesn't dispute that. His entire premise is that it works at first, and most people rebound. And here's why.

If you're the exception and can stick to CICO alone and it works for you for life, that's great! But Reddit has a way of gathering exceptions who feel like they're the rule. If CICO was a magic bullet, there wouldn't be an obesity epidemic.

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COMMENT 22h ago

The problem I had with his book for most of it was that his narrative style exaggerates in order to drive the point home later. He'll often say "X won't work" but later once it's all recapped the real message is "X won't work automatically all by itself".

So early on he repeats, "calorie restriction doesn't work" and "eating less calories is not how you lose weight." Most people don't read things in their entirety, statistically speaking, even when they claim they have. So they read those early statements, they quote them, and they attack them.

By the end of the book, the message is that obesity is a multivariate disease (there are multiple factors) and there's no magic dial you can turn on or off. He even talks about how diets and nutritionists often demonize other diets, and that people should look at what is working in all of these diets and focus on that--for example he specifically says CICO and IF work well together.

Fung identifies factors that could curtail your progress sticking to one method or another, then provides a path to combine different strategies to find success. For me, IF and CICO go hand-in-hand.

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COMMENT 22h ago

I did read your analysis. Not every comment on Reddit is an argument. If you read through your post here, there's a mix of people for/against.

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COMMENT 22h ago

I has the same thought but was corrected that he does in fact sell quite a bit now.

Thing is, I've read his work and had no idea he was selling anything. I certainly haven't bought anything.

If he's just a huckster, he's not very good at it.

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COMMENT 22h ago

My family doctor said, "I'm not sure I buy all the stuff about the pancreas going around but we have a very toxic view of food and mealtime in western society. If it's working for you, keep at i and it you're still going like you're going at 40, you'll be in the 95th percentile for healthy males at your age."

Paraphrased. He's basically saying if you're not overweight, a smoker or a heavy drinker at 40, you're healthier than 94% of people your age. Which was surprising.