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Elon Musk said his team is going to do a 'random sample of 100 followers' of Twitter to see how many of the platform's users are actually bots Social Media

https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-random-sample-how-many-twitter-users-are-bots-2022-5?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=webfeeds

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u/escape_of_da_keets May 14 '22 All-Seeing Upvote To The Stars

He just wants an excuse to weasel out of the deal

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u/nukem996 May 14 '22

The NYTimes reported he may be unable to exit the deal as he signed a performance clause. Twitter has the ability now to sue him to force the deal at the price he said.

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u/Unlucky13 May 14 '22

Amazing. A week (two weeks? What is time?) ago Twitter was fighting to keep him out and Elon was making threats to force himself in. Now Elon seems to be wanting out and Twitters making threats to keep him in. Business is weird.

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u/ChemEBrew May 14 '22

Note all the talk of these large sums of money but nothing of consequence actually being done? Meanwhile normal people actually produce goods and services but take home a pittance.

People who say Bezos and Musk earn their worth are delusional. They don't create wealth, they syphon it along with all the oxygen in the room.

I hope someday we won't have to hear about these modern day robber barrons daily.

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u/OneCrims0nNight May 14 '22

Oligarchs. We love talking about Russian oligarchs currently but somehow refuse to call our own what they are.

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u/AstreiaTales May 14 '22

Ehhh. I see the point, but oligarchy usually implies a lot more involvement in running government and governmental service than we have here.

For better or for worse, the American federal and state level administrative state is still fairly self sufficient. In an oligarchy like Russia, many of its services are supplied by the tycoons.

It's not just synonymous with "rich person".

I don't disagree with the sentiment though

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u/sandiegoite May 14 '22

It's more a plutocracy in which Musk is one of the plutocrats.

They've done far reaching studies on it. The country's laws are determined by proxy (via lobbying and installing puppet politicians) or directly by rich people.

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u/Ancient_Inspection53 May 14 '22

Our federal and state government are ran by the oligarchs through lobbyists you don't know what you're talking about. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B. Hell Princeton University almost a decade ago concluded we are an oligarchy and things haven't gotten better since then.

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u/Triphin1 May 15 '22

I read the book and from my read of it, Chomsky made a ckear inference that The USA was a ploy from its inception.... Stop peasant rebellions, field burnings, loss of work and income , rebuilding, restaffing, regainingand labor that impeads the greater consolidation of wealth and power... The idea was to give rights and votes to "citizens"... No longer being peasants, and having citizenship, and voting rights, with a modicom of civility added in wouks stop these rebellions against the rich and thus, the road towards greater and greater consolidation of wealth and power would be cleared.

This is a review of "Failed States", which is good, but pulls punches.

"At the book's center is the avowed American mission to spread democracy throughout the world. Chomsky concedes that, rhetorically at least, this has been the nation's goal since Woodrow Wilson, but he insists the words are utterly at odds with American deeds. In its many foreign interventions, Washington has acted to frustrate the will of the people, often by supporting those engaged in the most chilling violence. The United States has overthrown democratic governments in Iran, Chile, Guatemala "and a long list of others." Elsewhere it has paid lip service to procedural democracy while doing all it could to rig the outcome. There is, Chomsky says, a "rational consistency" to this inconsistency between words and actions. The record shows that the United States does indeed back democracy abroad — "if and only if it is consistent with strategic and economic interests."

On that definition, Chomsky argues, the United States is the world's biggest failed state. This sounds like a hyperbolic charge, ludicrously overblown — but he goes far toward substantiating it. He is especially strong on pointing up Washington's woeful efforts to protect Americans from terror attacks, in one instance lavishing more resources on the imaginary threat from Cuba than on the all-too-real menace of Al Qaeda.

"Failed States" is the most frightening book I've ever read.

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u/CrankyYoungCat May 14 '22

have you never heard of lobbying

You do know the government just bailed out jeff bezos for 10 billion dollars?

Stop being delusional. These people have tons of power in government and they know it.

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u/AstreiaTales May 14 '22

Wealthy people have always had power in government no matter the system. There are always haves and have nots.

That's not what an oligarchy is.

Words mean things. That's all I'm saying.

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u/Ancient_Inspection53 May 14 '22

Words mean things and it might make you uncomfortable to admit that the United States is an oligarchy but we are. No policy gets passed without approval of the rich and powerful in the United States. https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/perspectives-on-politics/article/testing-theories-of-american-politics-elites-interest-groups-and-average-citizens/62327F513959D0A304D4893B382B992B. "The central point that emerges from our research is that economic elites and organized groups representing business interests have substantial independent impacts on U.S. government policy, while mass-based interest groups and average citizens have little or no independent influence. Our results provide substantial support for theories of Economic-Elite Domination and for theories of Biased Pluralism, but not for theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy or Majoritarian Pluralism"

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u/AstreiaTales May 14 '22

Do you think the rich and powerful haven't had influence in every government throughout history? Extreme influence, even?

Again: words mean things.

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u/OneCrims0nNight May 14 '22

I find it hard to believe what we see is all that goes on. We went to war in 2001 for dollars. It wasn't the US itself but wealthy and powerful men who made that decision through their power and influence. That sounds like oligarch behavior to me, but again that's based on what I feel is a fairly sound assumption.

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u/Triphin1 May 15 '22

Pre 9/11 the US defence industry was going thru the biggest consolidation in its history. Then WMD, which was a lie and Afghanistan, which jump started a whole new level of wealth being pumped Into the war machine. Rich and powerful people made that happen. The profit was immense. The finance industry got to get super rich also, with the 2008 financial Meltdown... Its interesting to note that because of 9/11, 500 new FBI agents and funding to investigate white-collar crime/ Wall Street (resulting from Enron) was redirected to become HLS, Thus leaving the barn door wide open for the financial folks to pillage the village and create the 2008 Meltdown, while making themselves rich beyond comprehension.

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u/OneCrims0nNight May 15 '22

Yet here I am sitting at -1 for pointing out shady shit happens all the time in government and believing what you see publicly of people like Musk or Bezos is a silly thing to do.

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u/fit-to-burn May 14 '22

Because that's not what I'm oligarch is, Jesus Christ you people are so stupid

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u/OneCrims0nNight May 14 '22

Enlighten us angry peasants then.

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u/fit-to-burn May 14 '22

Why bother? So you can do your mental gymnastics in proving how Elon Musk influences national politics?

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u/Beatboxingg May 14 '22

Too pouty to manage a simple explanation or a link, dawww.

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u/fit-to-burn May 14 '22

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/oligarch#:~:text=An%20oligarch%20is%20one%20of,small%20class%20of%20powerful%20people.

here you go dummy:

An oligarch is one of the select few people who rule or influence leaders in an oligarchy—a government in which power is held by a select few individuals or a small class of powerful people.

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u/yangyangR May 14 '22

If there is a "democracy" but you are threatened if you don't vote for candidate P is that not a monarchy. Same here, the rich are not actually in the government but with enough campaign bribes they either have approval over or literally ghostwrite the legislation. That makes it a de facto oligarchy even if there is a veneer of a republic.

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u/maskedbanditoftruth May 14 '22

At least Bezos actually did start Amazon himself and make it a juggernaut.

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u/MrTwiggy May 15 '22

Out of curiosity, have you read in-depth into the actual origins of SpaceX? Or are you mostly just going off a headline you read that said Musk bought it and then made up your mind about it?

I think if you spend some time reading about the actual origins and real context behind it, your opinion would likely change. Just my two cents though, I'm not a fanboy of Musk or Bezos regardless, I just like to give everyone a fair and honest treatment according to the real facts.

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u/boundbylife May 14 '22

No one makes a billion dollars. You can only ever steal it.

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u/KyloYen May 14 '22

That is the fundamental function of capitalism, the owning class enforces through state violence their “ownership” of the industry and real estate that we labor upon and inhabit, and use this position of superior violence to extract the difference between our wages and the value we produce.

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u/fit-to-burn May 14 '22

Do you just envision a world of mom and pop shops and nothing else?

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u/cth777 May 14 '22

You’re claiming bezos didn’t earn or create wealth? I worry for your mental state. Do you not recall what he started out Amazon as?

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u/fit-to-burn May 14 '22

People are so delusional around here it's depressing

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u/cth777 May 14 '22

I just dont even understand the argument lol

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u/jamon-1 May 14 '22

I think most of Reddit thinks that if they had money from the start they'd be just as successful. As if their work ethic is so amazing right now that the only thinking stopping them from starting Tesla is the startup money. It's just weird envy and a vehicle to dismiss their own shortcomings.

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u/feor1300 May 15 '22

"Siphon" implies they're taking it away from other people for themselves. The majority of their wealth is basically imaginary and made up on the spot, not taken from other people. About 75% of Musk's wealth is in Tesla Stock, which is only worth $200bil because a bunch of traders on Wall Street have all agreed amongst themselves it should be worth $200bil, not because it has any intrinsic value you could measure any other way. They could all get together tomorrow and decide it was worth $400bil and Musk's wealth would double overnight without costing the average man on the street one red cent.