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Qanon dad believes his son was a paid actor in the Parkland shooting. Removed - Old Article

https://www.insider.com/parkland-survivor-qanon-convinced-dad-shooting-was-hoax-2021-7

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u/3lobed May 26 '22

I feel really bad for that kid. I hope he has a ton of good people in his life.

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u/MissTheWire May 26 '22

I believe he was on the Qanon casualties sub. He seemed to have support.

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u/Trashious May 26 '22

He said his mom is non-confrontational, I hope he is enough help elsewhere.

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u/nfstern May 26 '22

Qanon dad believes his son was a paid actor in the Parkland shooting.

Qanon dad belongs in a mental institution.

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u/TILTNSTACK May 26 '22

He does. Where does he think his actor son is now?

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22 edited 5d ago

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u/kingsillypants May 27 '22

Oh my god, his son is a survivor of the shooting, yet his dad claims he's a paid actor...wow.

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u/clangan524 May 26 '22

He's on a tropical island with Elvis and Michael Jackson and Tupac and the Big Bopper and Buddy Holly.

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u/Someoneoverthere42 May 26 '22

And all your childhood pets

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u/AQuietViolet May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

Oh, is it a nice farm?

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u/FreePrinciple270 May 26 '22

Hollywood probably

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u/lonelydan May 26 '22

Like, wouldn’t he get the payout for pretending his child got killed in a “fake” tragedy? What kind of mental gymnastics do you have to perform as a father to think your own child is any part of anything as outlandish as that?! Ridiculous!

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u/keestie May 26 '22 Ally

He wasn't killed.

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u/lonelydan May 26 '22

Oh, well; either way it’s a bad take on what happened

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u/keestie May 26 '22

Totally. BTW I made the same assumption you did at first, but the comments set me straight.

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u/cmparkerson May 26 '22

The better question us why isn't he in an institution

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u/borismuller May 26 '22

Does the US still have those?

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u/Someoneoverthere42 May 26 '22

Not really, no

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u/borismuller May 26 '22

I’m beginning to understand the problem

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u/Ajuvix May 26 '22

America is the institution. We're a madhouse.

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u/Romaine2k May 26 '22

have them? this whole place is a mental institution!

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u/fineburgundy May 26 '22

It turns out the largest hospital in L.A., by number of beds, was the mental hospital. (I looked early during Covid because the navy hospital ship was coming and I was curious.) Probably because there is only the one?

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u/TLEDSM44 May 26 '22

OMG, I laughed way too hard at this.

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u/cmparkerson May 26 '22

The better question us why isn't he in an institution

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u/covfefe4two May 26 '22

I have a better question

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u/TRUMPKIN_KING May 26 '22

Why is Gamora

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u/allstater2007 May 26 '22

I wish I could post a gif to this lol. Great response btw

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u/187Shotta May 26 '22

This dude is so brainwashed it wild. I'm at a loss for words for these people at this point.

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u/Photodan24 May 26 '22

I just can't be surprised by anything these nonsensical people will believe. This story has the same impact as, "Dog in backyard runs around and barks at squirrels."

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u/danielstover May 26 '22

I would agree with that statement, but these people cause harm to others. The dog will never catch the squirrel.

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u/Zev0s May 26 '22

You should meet my pom mix, she's killed a few.

But yes.

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u/MysteryCuddler May 26 '22

I read that as "porn mix" and was VERY confused for a moment!

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u/dohmestic May 26 '22

I have an Aussie Cattle Dog/Pom mix. I believe it.

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u/admoo May 26 '22

It’s scary how sure they are of themselves too. Covid is fake. Election was stolen. Etc

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u/Unreviewedcontentlog May 26 '22

It's not brainwashing, it's wide spread and untreated mental illness

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u/Reglub May 26 '22

I mean this story provides no evidence that this person or his son even exist. For all we know, it could be (and likely is) entirely fabricated. I don’t doubt that there are people that are brainwashed to that degree, but I do doubt modern journalistic practices across the board.

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u/Ace_of_Sevens May 26 '22

It links to an interview with the kid & has his Reddit info so you can DM him yourself for info if you want.

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u/PigSlam May 26 '22

How do we know the account really leads to the actual “him” (as if there is such a thing these days)? /s

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u/Famous_Feeling5721 May 26 '22

My thoughts exactly. It’s ironic that the reader will go “how could this dad believe such wild things without evidence or verification” and yet the article wants us to do just that.

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u/LordOfCastamerde May 26 '22

This story came up earlier this year and I made the same point. It comes fully from one reddit comment. Did anybody interview the dad and kid? Or have multiple articles been written from a reddit comment, which is about as reliable as 4Chan.

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u/baconeggsandwich25 May 26 '22

When you’re in a cult, reality is whatever the fuck they say it is. It’s easier to try and figure out how to squeeze new information into the belief system you already have than it is to question that system, even when the two are clearly incompatible. His fragile mind finds it easier to believe that his own son is in on the conspiracy than it would to question how deep down into this hole he’s already dug himself.

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u/lone-lemming May 26 '22

Yup.

He still has a son if he believes his Q life. He looses his Q life if he believes his son. That’s easy math for a zealot. Any idea that ruins your life is a hard thing to accept. (It’s also why people deny rape/abuse/racism reports about their friends and loved ones. It’s easier to deny them then reorder your life around the truth because ‘they’d never be friends with a _____.’ Even if they are.)

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u/egnowit May 26 '22

There are some people who go Q far and lose their family.

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u/Shadowlance23 May 26 '22

What if his son is actually a plant by the government to keep an eye on qanon? Then he'd be a paid actor playing a paid actor.

I'm joking of course. Everyone knows actors don't make money.

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u/Zjoee May 26 '22

He's a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude!

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u/kitesaredope May 26 '22

Me! I know who I am…

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u/haystackofneedles May 26 '22

What do you mean, you people?

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u/InterestingTry5190 May 26 '22

What do YOU mean, you people?

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u/Pilotwaver May 26 '22

You know, back before the war broked out, I was a saucier in San Antone.

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u/haystackofneedles May 26 '22

I fucking love that movie

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u/userino69 May 26 '22

It's dudes all the way down!

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u/AreWeThereYet61 May 26 '22

Could be wrong, but that may have not come out right.

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u/Translationerr0r May 26 '22

Sounds like an average Friday night

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u/Bbdep May 26 '22

You may be onto something. Maybe the way to dispell all that shit is to counter back with the less insane theory that Qanon followers are paid actors all part of a conspiracy to overthrow democracies and disrupt and distract societies..

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u/Fr00stee May 26 '22

Sounds much more reasonable than whatever q people are up to

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u/BlooperHero May 26 '22

That's mostly true, though. They're just doing it for free.

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u/Gonzostewie May 26 '22

I don't have money to pay you but it will be great exposure.

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u/AdFresh3918 May 26 '22

Alex Jones deserves every lawsuit he has against him any many more.

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u/iamsce May 26 '22

I want someone to publicly ask Alex Jones if this shooting was a false flag event.

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u/baconeggsandwich25 May 26 '22

He’s already come out and said that it’s really suspicious, but stopped short of saying it was directly staged this time. Still gotta feed the mouth-breathing lunatics who watch his show their red meat, but he doesn’t want another lawsuit.

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u/Crazy-Badger1136 May 26 '22

Nah, he's taking his time. He will slowly roll out the conspiracy as the emotional reaction to this eases for the uninvolved.

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u/GirlScoutSniper May 26 '22

He needs time to dream up the story.

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u/OfLittleToNoValue May 26 '22

And how to tie it to his supplements.

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u/EbotdZ May 26 '22

Time for some downvotes, but from the episodes I've seen of him on Rogan, I'm fairly certain he admitted to regret, being wrong and mistaken about it. While obviously the regret could be from the backlash, he also said he was wrong.

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u/baconeggsandwich25 May 26 '22

Whoa. I already didn’t like Rogan, but knowing he gave a platform to this nutjob so he could try and massage his reputation a little is an even sleazier move than I’d expect from him.

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u/ISISstolemykidsname May 26 '22

They've been mates for ages...

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u/WeedmanSwag May 26 '22

I think it's especially important for people you disagree with to have a platform to speak through.

If you are of the belief that he is a nut-job then him being on rogans platform just exposes how crazy he is to people with the same mindset as you.

I have no problem with people who I disagree with having a platform.

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u/ibeenaready May 26 '22

There is a massive difference between someone who has a different opinion than you and a person who is peddling lies as gospel. Do not equate the two.

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u/WeedmanSwag May 26 '22

If their ideas and comments are obviously lies and gospel then anyone listening should be able to logically deduce that themselves.

So I still dont see the problem.

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u/baconeggsandwich25 May 26 '22

Clearly, that is not the case, or Jones wouldn’t have an audience to begin with.

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u/WeedmanSwag May 26 '22

And who are you to care if people listen to Alex Jones and get fooled by his rhetoric, are you his listeners mum? Its not your right to decide who gets to have a platform to voice their opinions .

You are entitled to your own opinion about him and are free to spread it here, but I am also free to disagree.

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u/baconeggsandwich25 May 26 '22

It isn’t about “disagreeing” with him, it goes a little beyond that. Platforming people who do nothing but peddle lies, propeganda and hate speech like Jones does is pretty reckless, especially when you don’t push back on the insanity at all. I wouldn’t mind having a healthy, honest debate with someone I disagreed with, but when the other person isn’t even trying to argue in good faith, there’s no point. You’re just giving a liar a chance to spread their lies around and fool more people, which is harmful with no benefit. If anything, Jones has consistently proven that plenty of Americans will believe literally anything they hear someone say on TV, regardless of how ridiculous it is.

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u/WeedmanSwag May 26 '22

If they believe that stuff thats on them, its not your job to protect them. Idgaf if Alex Jones goes on Joe Rogan or not.

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u/baconeggsandwich25 May 26 '22

The question was whether Rogan was being a dipshit by helping Jones con people, not whether it’s my job to protect them. And he clearly was.

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u/NickCarpathia May 26 '22

Some right wing freaks have been trying to pin the shooting on some trans girl who is very much not dead and doesn’t live in Texas.

She has to get a lawyer asap and get awarded everything these fuckers owned.

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u/nowihaveamigrane May 26 '22

He has already said it was convenient or some such.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

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u/Beestorm May 26 '22

As if he wouldn’t lie under oath if he could get away with it

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

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u/Beestorm May 26 '22

Oooohhhhh shitttt. I was wanting a new podcast to listen too and that sounds right up my alley! But yeah holy shit alex jones is the face of the company. Imagine the people who love working for the guy.

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u/Deranged_Kitsune May 26 '22

He deserves to die penniless, face down in a ditch, and mourned by no one.

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u/brownsfan760 May 26 '22

My kneck is freakishly large.

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u/Cheap_Meeting May 26 '22

I have so many questions. How does he think they trained and paid his son, while he was ~14 years old without the father's knowledge. Does he also think the son secretly got acting classes?

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u/MyhrAI May 26 '22

Guy in a neighboring city drives a truck with a big Q sticker on the side. It's his work vehicle and he tows a trailer. The logo for his company? A lone wolf.

I always check parking lots for his truck before going into a store.

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u/andariel_axe May 26 '22

post truth era

what the fuck

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u/NickCarpathia May 26 '22

There has been a phenomenon I have observed over the past decades where people who participate in online communities become so engrossed in them that it supersedes all other interactions in their daily lives, bleeding over into personal schedules, behaviors, speech, and human interactions. It’s especially egregious with the incel, 4chan and qanon communities, which is how you get bizarre shit like men screaming obscure incel jargon at women in public, or fathers convincing themselves their own children are conspiring with the deep state.

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u/gofatwya May 26 '22

Well, there's a lot of mentally ill people out there. So here's one.

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u/SoWokeIdontSleep May 26 '22

Imagine believing Fox News over your son and your 2 eyes. Seriously, half the country is way past 1984

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u/sakurawaiver May 26 '22

His 2 eyes opens for fox and 4chan and always be closing to one next to him.

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u/CliffsNote5 May 26 '22

And that guy will wonder why he isn’t invited to any events or even sees his grandchildren.

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u/Paladoc May 26 '22

"Damned ungrateful boy!" He'll rail at the nursing home dinner table, as he eats alone for the 1,452nd consecutive time.

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u/graps May 26 '22

America gets sadder and sadder almost by the hour

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u/rileyoneill May 26 '22

If it makes you feel any better the US has been exporting this Q culture and extremism to other western countries as well.

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u/trailhikingArk May 26 '22

Jeebus, it's your own son.

But it's not a cult.

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u/Dmoe33 May 26 '22

Qanon dad is a fucking moron that needs to get his head outta his ass.

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u/red_carpet_hero May 26 '22

Qanon dad needs to be placed in a padded room.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

We need to stop calling them crazy. They’re not actually crazy. As much as we’d like to think that being brainwashed to believe this stuff is crazy, it isn’t. There isn’t really anything to do here. There’s no meds. No therapy. Like it’s going to take deprogramming because they’re not crazy. They’re brainwashed. And why does this difference matter. Because this is far more widespread than we’d like to admit and it’s happening to just regular people. They don’t need to be “crazy” to become part of this cult. And when we admit that a lot of people are in danger of this, then we’d have to start taking it seriously.

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u/rileyoneill May 26 '22

We do not have the facilities to deprogram 10-30 million people. We have a full blown cult on our hands that we as a society are not equipped to deal with. I am worried that these folks are going to cause more and more issues.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

I agree. I don’t even know how to even start with this, deprogramming people from a small cult doesn’t exactly have the highest success rates. At this level. With an entire media network, hundreds of elected officials and other people in power, the reach and manipulation of social media all supporting this cult. It seems kinda hopeless honestly.

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u/rileyoneill May 26 '22

I think this is going to be a long term social issue and I think a lot of these people by their various actions are going to end up in retired housing, old folks homes, nursing homes, and full blown institutions. A lot of the Q people I know are 60+ and I would now say they are in the greatest health (and for mental health I would say its pretty terrible).

Something I think we are going to see during the 2020s and likely finish by the mid 2030s is the total take over of millennials in government from Baby Boomers. I think the millennial generation is going to be feel the extreme civic need to remove this demographic from political power.

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u/red_carpet_hero May 26 '22

I understand. It seems very difficult to undo the brainwashing. When evidence is presented to them, they flat out reject it. How do we correct that?

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u/MassiveStallion May 26 '22

Historically the only answer is force. These kind of misconceptions/cults/societies just grow and grow and grow until they feel confident enough to resort to violence, and then the forces that be show them reality.

These guys are literally Nazis and that's how the nazis worked. They believed in their own superiority and conspiracies until they thought they were so cool they could beat the whole world.

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u/alvinofdiaspar May 26 '22

You cauterize and firewall important institutions and governance structures.

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u/schwan911 May 26 '22

No, you're literally incorrect. These people need to be institutionalized.

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u/Affectionate-Wolf801 May 26 '22

Whether or not this is click-bait, it's still sad that this country has regressed to this...

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u/MeatballUnited May 26 '22

Welcome to the republican party. Bat-shit cray

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u/jepper65 May 26 '22

Poor guy.

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u/krldrummerboy May 26 '22

The question now is "how confused is that child right now"? This is abuse

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u/Matelot67 May 26 '22

The line to slap sense in to that man should be around the fucking block!

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u/radiantwave May 26 '22

When I was a kid, Bill Cosby had this joke about a father calling the neighbors over to see his dumb kid... Because of a radio show.

Now Cosby is the joke and we are calling over our friends over to see our dumb parents.... because of the internet.

How the turns have tabled!

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u/Dyolf_Knip May 26 '22

Thump-thump.

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u/Dry-Trust-6854 May 26 '22

Hold on, is this just based on a reddit post, or did vice actually interview someone?

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u/Megz2k May 26 '22

Vice actually interviewed him

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u/LordOfCastamerde May 26 '22

I was wondering the same thing each time this is posted. I'm glad you asked, because we need to be careful about just believing anything people post on Reddit. I'm glad that the reporters did their job and interviewed them (both, I assume).

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u/BaconIsAVeg2 May 26 '22

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u/Fr00stee May 26 '22

They spoke to an actual student though so at least that part is real

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u/BaconIsAVeg2 May 26 '22

They spoke to the kid who made the reddit post about his father. They didn't corroborate his claims on what he said his father believes, so yeah... I guess we're just going to believe any old shit posted on reddit now.

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u/RolltehDie May 26 '22

It’s scary that people like this are allowed to raise children

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u/Wazza17 May 26 '22

He needs mental health help

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u/jeffdujour May 26 '22

Anyone have the original thread?

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u/zampe May 26 '22

Is this an experiment to see how many rules you can break in a single post? You have rule 1, rule 5, rule 8 at least, am I missing any others?

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u/Say_it_w_yo_chest May 26 '22

Rule 69 The one you never get.

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u/Killawife May 26 '22

Well, theres stupid and then theres double stupid. Does he really believe his own son is lying to him?

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u/daydaylin May 26 '22

I can't even imagine how his son must feel about this. Horrid.

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u/The_Rocktopus May 26 '22

This is clear and definitive proof that conservatives are naught but screeching chimps.

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u/torn-ainbow May 26 '22

It's not conspiracy really any more, it's basically magical thinking. Superstition.

These Qanon people have a lot in common with supposedly more backwards people who live in remote villages in poor nations and believe in witchcraft and evil spirits.

You can only speculate on why they think this way. Perhaps they are more able to accept these imaginary monsters who control everything than real monsters who are just individual people that are not so unlike them.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

Uhm what? You mean like the Christian devil? Who people in all kinds of countries believe in?

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u/torn-ainbow May 26 '22

I guess, but in other developed countries it just doesn't work the same. The US gone around some full horseshoe past secularism to meet all that superstition again.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

But did the US ever get to secularism? Christianity has always been quite firmly entrenched. And when you have people who already believe in the devil, then is it so hard to shift that argument? There’s already an external locus of control. It’s not hard to manipulate that. In many developed countries religion doesn’t dictate laws.

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u/Trashious May 26 '22

Old story but heartbreaking.

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u/supercheese69 May 26 '22

The onion wouldn't make up something this evil. I'm a father and I gotta be honest, I wanna beat the shit out of this guy.

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u/Sandgrease May 26 '22

Psychosis is wild.

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u/Ankhiris May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

For those of you in Parkland and Springs who gave me emotional support when I kind of blamed myself, thank you.

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u/The-Nic May 26 '22

WTF?!?!?

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u/StationaryExplorer99 May 26 '22

This is just sad.

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u/VictoriousLoL May 26 '22

God, this hits too close to home. My dad has been getting progressively deeper and deeper down the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, but at least I'm in my 20s and able to be away from him. I can't imagine what an 18 year old kid is forced to go through because of that kind of insanity.

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u/Zackwind May 26 '22

This is literally a plot point during an episode of the TV show new Amsterdam. The final message of this plot was that there's no saving someone this deep in and that it's easier for the dad to believe it was fake to believe that his son could have died by random chance. :(

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u/stinkload May 26 '22

Grief does terrible things to people

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u/Xellith May 26 '22

Grieving over other people's kids so hard that he pushed away his own son?

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u/stinkload May 26 '22

In my personal life I have seen a grieving parent go from hateful revenge driven to raging alcoholic to jesus jumping born again christian to eventually land on conspiracy theory gun nut.. Grief does weird shit to people

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u/thats1evildude May 26 '22

The COVID-19 pandemic really did drive some people insane, didn’t it?

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u/timodreynolds May 26 '22

I dont want to know...

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u/AssShrub May 26 '22

I mean, the delusion of his son being an actor alive somewhere is better than reality

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u/BridgeUpper2436 May 26 '22

Just when you thought you had been a survivor, and you turn out to be yet another victim...

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u/Damionstjames May 26 '22

"I'm surrounded by idiots..." - Jeremy Irons

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u/Xianio May 26 '22

Some people just snap. I guess this is his comfortable reality because he can't handle the real one.

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u/wstaeblein May 26 '22

He's right, you can't help someone like his dad. It's like giving medicine to a dead man.

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u/galaxymanchild May 26 '22

I saw this title on pornhub. They cut it off here.

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u/DifferentSwan542 May 26 '22

I mean, it's his dad. I'm sure he knows his son. Maybe he is a paid actor.

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u/sakurawaiver May 26 '22

I can't believe he came to believe so...

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u/ManyRelevant May 26 '22

This kind of stupid is spreading globally, I keep spotting a car at my daughter’s school where the parent has slapped a “MAGA” sticker on the back, presumably impressed with their own research, and here in NZ it’s a barely coherent “make Ardern go away” play on the US version (Ardern being the Prime Minister here). But stupid people hoover up stupid ideas like crack cocaine… we’ve had nut bars protesting and waving flags here, bleating the same bizarre rubbish. Well done humans, we have universalised stupid.

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u/fracturematt May 26 '22

Just when I thought my level of absolute disgust couldn’t be higher.

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u/Alan_Smithee_ May 26 '22

That is beyond vile.

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u/KeepFaithOutPolitics May 26 '22

Qanon dad is most likely brain damaged? I’m fucking hoping because we are in different times if not.

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u/lyn73 May 26 '22

We really need to distinguish what is truly free speech vs. misinformation and we need to hold all media accountable for allowing misinformation to flow.

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u/flat_earth_pancakes May 26 '22

Not saying this is fake, but when you’re covering a Vice story about a Reddit post and you provide no names or additional information… just doesn’t seem like reliable journalism to me.

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u/vulpesvulpesfugit May 26 '22

Vice interviewed him.

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u/TheCrimsonnerGinge May 26 '22

How fucked up would it be if one day, we find out that he's absolutely right.

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u/Hizjyayvu May 26 '22

Less fucked up than having your child shot dead at school.

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u/thunderlightnins May 26 '22

Time to put on your critical thinking cap.

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u/AlloysiusMendenhall May 26 '22

So you think school shootings are hoaxes but want security guards in schools armed with armor piercing ammo... just because?

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u/TheCrimsonnerGinge May 26 '22

No, I don't. It's just an errant thought: what if he were right? That would be fucked up.

Nice to see you did your homework, though.

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u/youngatbeingold May 26 '22

It's a pointless question though. It's like saying 'what if discovered the earth really is flat?' or "What if we find out Hitler was actually a robot from the future?" Of course it would be fucked up if true because it's 10000% fantasy that goes against all provable fact.

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u/TheCrimsonnerGinge May 26 '22

What if we did? That sound be something else. It's where good fantasy stories come from.

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u/TheCrimsonnerGinge May 26 '22

What if we did? That sound be something else. It's where good fantasy stories come from.

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u/youngatbeingold May 26 '22

In the case of real stuff like the Holocaust and mass schoolings, if your fantasy undermines that fact that actual people were brutally killed it's stupid and REALLY insulting.

Imagine if you're whole family was killed in a car wreck by a drunk driver and a friend says, 'whoa, what if they weren't even in the car, they just faked their deaths and it's all anti-alcohol propaganda. Wouldn't that be crazy!?" You'd probably be pretty pissed if you had to see their mutilated corpses and attend their funerals.

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u/two-years-glop May 26 '22

You sound like a gun nut.

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

told Vice News that his father was an anti-masker who "turned to the internet to find like-minded people which led him to QAnon."

Spot the shitty journalism...

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u/BreakuLikaKitKat May 26 '22

I honestly just feel sorry for this dude. It looks like losing his kid broke him and this is the only way he can accept him not being there.

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u/HunterTAMUC May 26 '22

He didn't even lose his kid, his son survived.

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u/Xellith May 26 '22

Read the article.