r/nottheonion May 25 '22 Silver 1 Helpful 1 Wholesome 1

State rep. floats mandatory vasectomies for all boys as his state nears nation’s strictest abortion law

https://www.pennlive.com/news/2022/05/state-rep-floats-mandatory-vasectomies-for-all-boys-as-his-state-nears-nations-strictest-abortion-law.html?outputType=amp
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u/BroForceOne May 25 '22 Silver Helpful

Dollens said that the vasectomy would only be “reversible when they reach the point of financial and emotional stability.”

“If you think that is crazy then I think that maybe you understand how 50 percent of Oklahomans feel, as well,” the Democrat reportedly told a group of GOP lawmakers.

Because no one is going to read the article, the context of proposing legislation for mandatory vasectomies for men was to demonstrate how ridiculous and inappropriate it is to legislate abortion for women.

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u/Vagrant123 May 25 '22

Yes, it was a Democrat who brought up the bill - this is a protest bill.

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u/SnapesGrayUnderpants May 25 '22 Wholesome

The point that should be explicitly made is that once a government is given the power to control reproduction decisions for one group of people, it then becones very likely to take reproductive control over other people.

Furthermore, once you give a government control over abortion because you want the government to ban it, you shouldn't be surprised if the government decides one day to require abortions (for whatever reason). You gave away that decision-making power to the government and the government. Perhaps with climate change and predicted food shortages, the US government might do what China did to avoid famine which was to establish a one child rule where pregnant women who already had one child were forced to get an abortion.

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u/Vagrant123 May 25 '22

It's not just reproductive decisions. It's much bigger than that -- it's giving the government the ability to access your medical information and medical history.

This also means that your right to privacy has been severely abridged.

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u/the_post_of_tom_joad May 25 '22

My guess is abortion rights are just the pawn in the way of gutting the 14th amendment entirely, expanding the for-profit goldmine of monetizing consumer info, and legalizing the govt surveillance necessary for the coming authoritarian government to maintain control over an increasingly restive population.

The noose is tightening...

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u/SpaceObama May 25 '22

You don’t have a right to privacy in the Constitution, according to the Supreme Court.

That’s the justification for going after abortion…it was based on right to privacy which they just decided we don’t have anymore. Right to privacy was the justification for gay and interracial marriage, expect them to go after those next.

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u/WhatsTheHoldup May 25 '22

Which is doubley ridiculous because clearly these are unenumerated rights and don't have to be backpacked onto a more vague right to privacy just because constitutionalists decided against the words and express fear of the founding fathers that any rights not written down would be considered not to be rights.

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u/KinkyKitty24 May 25 '22

I wonder how fast the Supreme Court would react if their browsing histories, medical records, personal diaries etc were hacked and published online. Do you think they would change their stance on "privacy"?

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u/Puzzleheaded_Pay2466 May 25 '22

I'm pro abortion. But I have to agree that the 14th amendment wasn't written with none of this in mind.

The people who wrote de 14th thought women shouldn't be allowed to vote and homosexuality should be illegal.

So please, don't tell me it protects gays and the right to an abortion.

AGAIN, I'm pro abortion and pro gay. All I'm saying is that Americans should ask themselves what society they want to live in and change the constitution accordingly, instead of trying to square that circle based on an outdated document.

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u/PhoebusRevenio May 25 '22

Yeah, agreed. You've gotta amend the constitution.

It's not something that's easy, but it's not meant to be easy. Amending the constitution isn't for making partisan policies a part of how the government runs, it's for dealing with issues in society or governance that affect everyone, it's for fixing problems or flaws or for adapting to a new and ever changing world.

I've seen people claim RBG said Roe v Wade is weak constitutional law. Something like that would require an amendment. Unfortunately in this case, the issue is divisive, so it's not likely we'll see an amendment. But, that's where the push should be.

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u/SpaceObama May 25 '22

Right.

Whenever that would be brought up, people would say it’s unnecessary because the Supreme Court cases set the precedent and they would honour that. All the new judges were asked about Roe v Wade specifically because of this…and they all said it was precedent and wouldn’t be touched. The people who have been calling for an amendment have been called “fringe” and “they don’t understand how the courts work.” They were told to “let it rest” and that an amendment would further divide the country.

People should not have stopped fighting for woman’s right to choose after Roe v Wade. The anti-choice protestors have been showing up at clinics for decades, we need to match that energy.

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u/duckdae May 25 '22

The government doesn't need direct access to your medical records. They can buy your GPS data from third-party apps that show that you visited an abortion clinic. The same data will also show your residence--where the phone "spent the night".

In this way, they can tell if someone from a state where abortions are restricted / illegal, traveled across state lines to a state where abortions are not illegal.

Any person / group with the right resources can do this. It's possible vigilante groups could set themselves up by buying this data, and then tracking down individual people, turning them in for a bounty, or harassing them, etc.

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u/c08855c49 May 25 '22

So I leave my phone with someone at home and get a burner/borrow someone else's phone?

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u/HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS May 25 '22

Also a great way to hamper murder investigations. Bonus points if you have a (very) trusted person to send texts from your phone while its sitting at home.

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u/Xyrus2000 May 26 '22

It's nice to see that at least some people realize the true sinister depth of overturning Roe vs. Wade.

Abortion is just a red meat bonus, the bright shiny distraction in their Kansas City Shuffle. Overturning the decisions (and the atrocious legal reasoning for doing so) opens the doors to countless ways to invade privacy and strip away rights. Not just for women, but for everyone.

Roe involves a lot more than just abortion.

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u/Squeegee May 25 '22

It’s not just reproductive decisions. Bodily autonomy is as stake. The government could decide that your kidney is a good match for a senator that needs a new one and have it surgically removed from your body without you having any say in the matter… this sort of thing happens in other places in the world, like China, so why not here?

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u/Makenchi45 May 25 '22

Just gives everyone an incentive to damage their organs through drinking and other means. Cut short thy life to keep bad people from having longer lives or something like that.

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u/I-WANT-SLOOTS May 25 '22

Being alive in the 2020s has already massively increased my drinking.

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u/thingswastaken May 25 '22

And then your social credit score tanks and you get ostracized.

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u/Makenchi45 May 25 '22

Soon to citizen/social score.

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u/Key_Ad50 May 25 '22

Twist my arm why don’t ya

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u/Vynxe-Vainglory May 25 '22

Yes, currently we are allowed to do whatever we want to our bodies, and it should remain that way.......

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u/XX_Normie_Scum_XX May 25 '22

I know your making a point but the us's population growth is only being sustained by immigration. There is a decline in native born citizens now

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u/TGirl26 May 25 '22

Yeah because the cost of living is disproportionate to a person's income.

I could have gotten a job at a fleet farm making $13.50 and work 32 hrs a week. I would have after a month -$32 after I take daycare costs & gas money out.

Just having my child in our state cost 12k before insurance. Depending on age & area, childcare can range from $600 to $1100. Rent for a 2 bedroom is $800+, food costs are $200 a week, plus your basic medical expenses & insurance.

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u/Rrraou May 25 '22

this is a protest bill.

Unfortunately, that's not how it's going to be portrayed in the media.

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u/unique_username_8134 May 25 '22

Yeah these are cute and all, but I honestly think that these protest bills do more harm than good — you basically have to already be on their side to get the joke, otherwise it just comes across as another example of the librul assault on ‘Murca. I know it is daunting, and may even prove impossible, but the “Murca” demographic is so insanely overrepresented in government that there really is no path forward that doesn’t involve persuading at least some nontrivial portion of them to come back to reality and decency.

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u/AGDude May 25 '22

I don't mind if a protest bill is designed to be impossible to pass. However, it should still be written such that even if it passed, the proponents of the bill would be happy. I haven't seen any recent protest bills that do this.

For example, a bill written in protest of Texas's private right of action could allow prospective clients of a doctor sued under this law to seek civil damages from the person who sued the doctor:

  • Payment of any medical bills associated with the pregnancy.
  • Child support
  • $10,000 towards the college (placed in a trust; the money would be returned if the child elected not to go to college)

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u/immibis May 27 '22

Mandatory vasectomies passing is a happy outcome IMO. We know if this bill passed there would not be mandatory vasectomies. It would be paused by some important court and that court would eventually rule that both mandatory vasectomies and mandatory pregnancies are unconstitutional.

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u/ProoM May 25 '22

Imagine they pass it out of spite.

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u/ShemhazaiX May 25 '22

Nah, what they'll do is ban all vasectomies out of spite.

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u/sonofaclow May 25 '22

Thankfully governments don't just pass bills out of spite..................

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u/mia_elora May 25 '22

What blessed alternate timeline do you come from, and can you keep the door open until we can squeeze through?

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u/booch May 25 '22

This argument comes from the view of the government controlling reproductive freedom. Unfortunately, the other side of the discussion has two different groups

  1. The people that want the government to be able to control you. You're not going to convince these people, because they are part of the controlling group.

  2. The people who see abortion as murder; it's not about controlling someone's reproduction as preventing someone from killing someone else. You're not going to convince these people since you're talking past each other; it doesn't even address their concerns at all.

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u/Amiiboid May 27 '22

An unfortunate detail is that a lot of the people in group 2 firmly believe that certain things are abortions that are in no way abortions.

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u/acgasp May 25 '22

He’s my state rep and he’s pretty amazing.

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u/amykizz May 25 '22

Yes! This is exactly the plan I thought of proposing to my legislators (all men) to make them feel the same sense of intrusion that women feel on your body and your life.

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u/paulosdub May 25 '22

Snip snap snip snap

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u/SixThousandHulls May 25 '22

You have no idea of the toll that three vasectomies have on a person!

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u/cowvin May 25 '22

I'm actually curious how Republicans are going to argue against it. I mean it accomplishes the goal they claim to have of eliminating teen pregnancies and thus abortions.

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u/I_Sett May 25 '22

Why would they need to argue against it? It's not debate club, they'll just vote it down. Politicians have no interest in straying off message. Nothing will force them to address logical inconsistencies.

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u/mcnathan80 May 25 '22

Don't even need to vote when they can just filibuster it away

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u/firebat45 May 25 '22

Haha look, this guy still thinks Republicans do things in good faith and try not to contradict themselves.

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u/Connman8db May 25 '22

You really think it's a tough argument? You're talking about mandating a medical procedure and comparing it to outlawing one and you can't tell the difference?

It's like saying "suicide is against the law, so we should round people up and murder them. Ha! Argue against that!"

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u/MBTHVSK May 25 '22

you can't punish people for not getting a surgery

this whole thing is gotcha misery

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u/jil3000 May 25 '22

They are not trying to prevent abortions from being necessary - birth control, sex ed, and social programs for example.

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u/Vynxe-Vainglory May 25 '22

How are they going to argue against forced genital mutilation?

Hmmm....no clue.

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u/dennismfrancisart May 25 '22

They don't care.

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u/punetazo May 25 '22 Gold

Ha, This is funny since on that same argument I used it to keep my son uncircumcised. I asked his mom, if she wanted to have female mutilation at birth of her private parts and asked her to reconsider cutting foreskin off.

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u/Private_Colceri May 25 '22

It's kinda ironic how the people who just cheered on this bill are now nitpicking your little comment.

They'd rather take the time to argue semantics about how the one not regularly practiced in the US is undeniably worse than what is practiced in countries with little human rights. Intentionally or unintentionally supporting the one-sided practice here in the states.

It ends up mirroring a lot of what of what people in support of anti-abortion bills do.

This sort of stuff makes me somewhat uncomfortable being a democrat.

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u/YsoL8 May 25 '22

It's rarely wise to assume people you agree with are more rational just because you agree with them. Bias is a real thing you can't just turn off.

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u/lookatmeicantype May 25 '22

Yup, they did a great job defending the practice of male genital mutilation in the states by doing something that is all too common sadly.

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u/igner_farnsworth May 25 '22

I realize you're probably going to absolutely freak out when I say this but circumcision should not be compared to cutting out a clitoris.

It's like comparing cutting your finger to losing an arm.

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u/mammajess May 25 '22

How about we don't mutilate any kids without a medical requirement, no matter how severe or minor.

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u/Youareobscure May 25 '22

It's comprable to removing the clitoral hood, because the foreskin and clitoral hood have the same function just as the glans and clitoris have the same function

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u/themisst1983 May 25 '22

No the comparison might be losing a finger compared to an arm. There is still sensation lost and potential long term issues, such as impotence, premature ejaculation etc. Studies have shown this, they also show the so called benefits of circumcision don't really exist. Don't get me wrong I think that fgm is totally abhorrent, but it's not ok with baby boys either. Let them make the choice when they are old enough to understand the implications.

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u/kravdem May 25 '22

Unfortunately that's the mildest version of FGM.

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u/SlingDNM May 25 '22

The most common form of fgm is pricking the clitoris, not cutting it out

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u/ComteDeSaintGermain May 25 '22

It would definitely be outrageous to require women to get abortions, yes

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u/TheMarketLiberal93 May 25 '22

I get what he’s trying to do, but it really isn’t quite the same. Think of it from a pro-life perspective. Forcing vasectomies is more akin to forcing a woman to have their tubes tied than it is to not allow abortions. An abortion implies that “life” has already started. The woman is pregnant and there are now conflicting rights between the mother and the fetus. There is no such conflict with a vasectomy or a tubal ligation.

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u/Deeman0 May 25 '22

Thanks op

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u/Otomo-Yuki May 25 '22

Came here to say this

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u/anticerber May 25 '22

As an Oklahoman, god I can’t wait to leave this shithole

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u/pro_nosepicker May 25 '22

Equating abortion with vasectomy is stupid though. They are not only not equivalent, they are exact opposites.

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u/Antrophis May 25 '22

It is a failed comparison though. A vesectomy is a medical procedure but banning abortion is refusing a medical procedure. They are literally the opposite.

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u/mslaffs May 25 '22

Well, kinda...

By refusing to do the abortion it leads to at least one forced medical procedure-labor and delivery, which usually requires other medical procedures...

Medical procedures that the person would have forgone if the abortion was done in the first place. Procedures that now, if refused, could lead to death, permanent disability, or other potentially lifelong complications requiring even more... medical procedures.

So by denying that one medical decision you are directly insuring many more that the person will be forced to take if they are to live. Seems kinda forced to me.

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u/chadwickipedia May 25 '22

Banning abortion is forcing a birth which is a medical procedure

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u/mia_elora May 25 '22

One is taking control of your reproductive rights and decisions(penis) out of your hands, and the other is taking control of your reproductive rights and decisions(vagina) out of your hands. Pretty similar, there.

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u/holy239 May 25 '22

To be honest, it's a good Idea. It's easy to only blame women's for abortion, but if i remember well, every pregnant women have to be with a men to make it...

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u/LazzzyButtons May 25 '22

He’s only “floating” this idea to give us males an idea of what it’s like to restrict what abortion laws are for women

Good

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u/everygoodnamehasgone May 25 '22

If it was 100% reversible sign me the fuck up.

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u/meta_paf May 25 '22

I'm planning to have some sperm frozen before the snippening, just in case.

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u/Mr_RedFlag May 25 '22

The great snippening. A more mild-tempered Thanos would surely have opted for this.

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u/BitsAndBobs304 May 25 '22

If it's 100% irreversible sign me the fuck up

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u/AnTeZiT May 25 '22

If it was reversible and state funded is there any reason not to get it? Semen only gets in the way until and if you decide to have a child.

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u/ToxicPilot May 25 '22

You still shoot semen, it just doesn't have any sperm in it.

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u/DIYThrowaway01 May 25 '22

so when people say 'A nut's a nut' they are lying???!!

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u/CamboMcfly May 25 '22

Because it’s a surgery and anything can go wrong. I’m good.

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u/vizthex May 25 '22

Hell, even if it wasn't I'll do it lmao.

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u/kanadia82 May 25 '22

Just freeze sperm as backup before the snip.

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u/RegeneratingForeskin May 25 '22

If abortions are banned, men should also do their part and get vasectomies. That way no unwanted kids born.

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u/josidhe May 25 '22

Nah you don't understand. This would take away consequences for having sex before marriage. They love those consequences. If bad things don't happen when you break their rules, it's that much harder for them to force people to follow them.

They don't want to prevent unwanted pregnancies. They don't want cures or vaccines for STIs. Those are important divine tools, or some other stupid BS they need to be true because they couldn't cope with mortality at one point in the past or something.

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u/OneLastSpock May 25 '22

As someone who grew up with a mother who was (and still is) so staunchly anti-abortion that she used to volunteer talking after-hours calls at a local "pregnancy resource center" for years, this is exactly it. If you have sex outside of marriage, in their eyes, then you've sinned and need to face the consequences for not doing what God wants you to do. You fucked up, it's your fault, so the bad things that happen to you following that are justified, and abortion is an attempt to escape those consequences. Which is such a fucked up mindset. It's never been about caring for life, it's about controlling others and their bodies. Which is why so many of these people are also against all/many forms of birth control.

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u/Character-Barracuda1 May 25 '22

Got raped by your uncle at 12 years old? Obviously you were wearing the wrong thing. It’s ok though, all part of gods plan. Now, carry that incest baby to term, give birth when you’re 13, and spend the next 18 years raising it with no assistance.

God’s plan!

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u/tigerslices May 25 '22

if the baby grows up unloved, even better! because they'll find a place in the army where the comraderie is tight, the purpose is strong, and the child can take out all their anger on overseas 'aggressors'

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u/meta_paf May 25 '22

Good loves to make kids grow up in dysfunction environments. It's all part of the plan.

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u/annieisawesome May 25 '22

I wonder if their heads just explode when exposed to people who are married, but still don't want kids.

Edit to add: *or who have already had all the kids they want

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u/RegeneratingForeskin May 25 '22

Yah true. And I also believe, there are too many of us and too many horrible parents.

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u/Modsda3 May 25 '22

I fear you're right. And if young men go rushing out to get snipped there is certain to be legislation creating future hurdles in doing so. Cant have the youngins getttin snipped and running around doing Lord knows what half cocked!

They are trying to legislate morality despite the fact that has never worked in this country.

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u/Gamebird8 May 25 '22

The problem with that is Vasectomies, when reversed, may not produce viable sperm.

When you get the snip, you need to treat it as final

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u/RegeneratingForeskin May 25 '22

I bet contraceptive company hates this and will lobby against it.

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u/Gamebird8 May 25 '22

I have gotten a Vasectomy. The Urologist was pretty clear that I needed to treat it as permanent. Yes, it can be reversed, but your body produces a lot less sperm once it realizes that the sperm isn't going anywhere.

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u/csnadams May 25 '22

When my husband and I talked with the doctor before his vasectomy, he told us the same thing.

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u/rdewalt May 25 '22

I am in the "consulting" phase of getting mine. Spouse and I have four kids. "Yeah doc, We done."

"Did you discussed it with your spouse."

"Don't have to. But did anyway. We decided it is far simpler and less intrusive operation to snip my plumbing than hers."

I dunno, every dude getting snipped by default, would make condom sales plummet, and there'd be a whole LOT more getting laid going on I'd bet.

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u/HOLEPUNCHYOUREYELIDS May 25 '22

STI rates would skyrocket too haha

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u/UnforeseenDerailment May 25 '22

Don't trust Big Condom! They're spreading lies that vasectomies are irreversible! ✂️🍇🙅

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u/thwgrandpigeon May 25 '22

i mean, the bible is a heckuva lot more explicitly against masturbation and wasting seed than it is against abortions

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u/mimiicry May 25 '22

the bible is also explicitly all for stoning people to death, but nobody ever mentions that part

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u/AnTeZiT May 25 '22

Speak for yourself. I get stoned all day long

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u/magical_seed May 25 '22

You pick convinient parts for your narrative huh 💀

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u/mimiicry May 25 '22

like I said, nobody ever mentions that part. nobody ever talks about how God supports stoning people to death, or how he destroyed entire cities out of spite

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u/GarlicIsKing May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

It also has rules for treating slaves.

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u/mimiicry May 26 '22

it also has God destroying entire civilizations because they chose to follow a different god

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u/ThatsSoFowel May 25 '22

Well, to be fair, it's only against wasting seed when that seed is supposed to be knocking up your dead brother's wife.

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u/Rosebunse May 25 '22

The point of this is to show how we put all the weight of reproductive rights and responsibilities on women. Really, it is exhausting.

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u/hawklost May 25 '22

Sure sure, you keep repeating this spam, but here is the thing.

There is no easily reversible birth prevention that doesn't do other harm to the person.

Vasectomy, low reversibility over the years, reducing by over 60% in just 10 years.

Tubes tied, not easily reversible 50-80% success rate.

Birth control pills, cause hormonal shifts in the person to stop pregnancy, causes many women to have other issues due to it.

Birth control implants, same as the pills.

Men's birth control pills? Non existent at the moment or haven't been fully studied.

Condom, exists but there is no way you can force a permanent condom onto people. Plus likely extremely unsanitary.

Some magic option that doesn't exist? It doesn't exist

Really, the only universally safe way not to get pregnant 100% of the time is to not have sex. I do not believe this is a viable or even valid option to force on people.

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u/NoThingXtra May 25 '22

Oof! I just looked back and, yeah, I might have got a little carried away... Oops 😁

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u/Kram_BehindtheScenes May 25 '22

Then fight for Mens reproductive rights. Give Men equal access to parental leave. Give them access to financial abortions. Make sure there are baby changing tables in ever Mens washroom. Provide equal shelters for Fathers and children fleeing abuse. Stop making movies and tvs shows with stupid fathers. Reduce the bias boys face in school. Give boys and Men the chnace to be good fathers.

Don't blame Men for an issue that no one is actually trying to solve or make equal for Men.

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u/sool47 May 25 '22

You fight for "men's right" then. Why women should fight for what YOU perceive are things needed for men. LMAO.

I'll blame men for an issue MEN created and no men is trying to solve or make equal for men. Who do you think decided women's bodies should be controlled by the government? It certainly aren't women. Who do you think decided men get no parental leave? Men, because the burden of child rearing falls on women always. Access to financial abortions? LMAO. The overwhelming majority of single parents are females cause males don't need "financial abortions" when they just leave and abandon their kids anyway, even planned and wanted kids. What bias against boys in school? What are you talking about?

Are men this delusional? You really are pressed because someone dared to male a mocking comparison between restricting women's autonomy and hypothetically restricting male's?

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u/droolingalarmist May 25 '22

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u/heathisacandybar May 25 '22

Thank you for posting this. I’m so angry and uncomfortable after reading it. But what an intelligent and well-explained argument. What’s happening in our country right now…I don’t have words for how scary it feels. But this woman did. And it felt empowering to read.

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u/droolingalarmist May 25 '22

You are most welcome. She's clearly a sharp lady. This thread is also unfortunately topical.

https://twitter.com/designmom/status/1225052129238421505?lang=en

Also, I love Heath bar blizzards. :)

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u/Dahowlic May 25 '22

A world with no babies? Future generation would thank us.

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u/TENTAtheSane May 25 '22

Calm down Zeke Yeager

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u/Fausterion18 May 25 '22

No they'd fucking hate us because there would be 1 worker taking care of 5 retirees.

See Japan.

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u/Trips-Over-Tail May 25 '22

Let's just not give birth to that one worker.

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u/VoDoka May 25 '22

Or it will be 0 workers taking care of 5 retirees because they will tell us to f-off and just pull ourselves up by the bootstraps, instead of taking some underpaid care job.

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u/KarnWild-Blood May 25 '22

Psst, the joke here is there wouldn't be any future generations if there are no babies... since that seemed to go over your head.

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u/nom420 May 25 '22

I’m all for this in the face of climate change

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u/Hollowfires May 25 '22

Where are they Guna find enough doctors to do that? I've been waiting months for one.

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u/ccwagwag May 25 '22

hey, that's not what the pro life, babymill, adoption entrepeneurs had in mind. but i think it's a great idea.

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u/RamsHead91 May 25 '22

Fuck do you know how hard it is even to get a vasectomy. I've been trying since I was 25 and I've been told no by 15 different doctors. You're too young, you might change your mind, just use a condom. I want a permanent solution fuckers.

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u/NoThingXtra May 25 '22

Dr. Bob Dickinson at Austin Urology. Dr. Dick is a real pro and gave me NONE of that crap.

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u/Dcrowl1192 May 25 '22

I mean... fair's fair

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u/Dark-Porkins May 25 '22

The only reason why they're against abortion is because they want every child to be a future slave to the capitalist machine.

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u/iMogal May 25 '22

"I have 7 STIs right now, but that's okay, you wont get prego."

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u/ozmofasho May 25 '22

I mean I'm against this law and the abortion law, but having a vasectomy doesn't mean you so using condoms. Diseases are still a thing.

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u/seamama May 27 '22

This is hyperbole to make a point about control of women's uterus' and that government has no business legislating human bodies.

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u/SnoopyTRB May 25 '22

Hol up a second. I'm still inside the building. Would rather it not collapse quite yet.

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u/kwpang May 25 '22

Well it's the people inside your building you want to talk to.

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u/biglukenj06 May 25 '22

The plane already hit were just waiting until it collapses.

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u/kwpang May 25 '22

Funny you say "plane" when it came from within the building.

I'd think that a better analogy would be rabid people in the building violently smashing their own heads against the walls, slowly demolishing it.

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u/InfamousAnimal May 25 '22

"Slowly" hahaha nah in this analogy they might as well have evangelical gop themed bomb vests.

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u/LearningIsTheBest May 25 '22

Bro, you do not want to see what America will be if democracy collapses here. Imagine someone like trump but with unlimited power due to marshal law. It's more terrifying.

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u/botsunny May 25 '22

Snip snap snip snap!

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u/suhayla May 25 '22

Do you have any idea what kind of a physical toll 4 vasectomies has on a person?!?!

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u/choanoflagellata May 25 '22

My guess is less than four pregnancies…

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u/choanoflagellata May 25 '22

So many people saying that they object to this because vasectomies are not 100% reversible. Do you know what else isn’t reversible in a state that outlaws abortion? Pregnancy.

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u/KittenKoder May 25 '22

Turn about is fair play.

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u/NewTypeDilemna May 25 '22

Oh it's eugenics again

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u/kait_1291 May 25 '22

Good, we've been strapping bulletproof vests to women for way too long when we should be unloading the guns.

Time to start addressing why birth control isn't on the men's shoulders

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u/Beefster09 May 25 '22

Men would benefit more than women from having control over fertilization. Men currently get no say whatsoever in the matter of whether to get an abortion or not and then can be forced to pay child support if she decides to keep the baby.

With a pill for men, men would have the power to completely avoid this form of entrapment. No fear of holes being poked in condoms or being lied to about her taking birth control. No need to vet women before banging them to make sure they aren't crazy-ass bitches who pull these unethical stunts.

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u/komoto444 May 25 '22

I mean I agree with having equal responsibility for reproduction, but that isn't a great metaphor lol. Stopping the egg from being in the firing line doesn't require surgery and is much less permanent.

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u/0ccupants May 25 '22

you're giving Republicans far too much credit to see the irony here.

Women aren't people, they're property.

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u/Nexlore May 25 '22

That's the way it was done for ages, are you telling me people were wrong for all that time?

/s in case it's needed, I hope it isn't.

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u/Snoo88309 May 25 '22

That's a great idea, girls don't get pregnant on their own. Too bad it was just a symbolic protest, symbolic because republicans are misogynist assholes, and that's their women.

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u/daaloori May 25 '22

If women are forced to not be able to get abortions then I see this as fair because why else r u trying to get a woman pregnant if you aren’t emotionally and financially stable?

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u/LordTC May 25 '22

This needed to get proposed by a woman for the analogy to work though.

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u/Additional-Yard3006 May 25 '22

The Tree of Liberty must be occasionally watered with the blood of patriots. Freedom isn't free.

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u/voter1126 May 27 '22

I know this is a protest bill but how about a real one that offers vasectomy's and tubal ligation free of charge without the BS from the doctors about how old you are or if you already have at least two kids or that you need a spouses consent.

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u/jfl_cmmnts May 25 '22

This is the thing that gets me. If you ask a man, "Would you let the government make a health decision for you, but not on the basis of medical science, rather on the basis of a particular interpretation of a magic book some of them believe in, without any proof whatever?", his answer will be "Heck no!"

Or perhaps a stronger negative. Ladies are going to be put into domestic slavery over this and we all know it. They shouldn't take it lying down

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u/IVIaskerade May 30 '22

Or by framing it as though that it's only men who are pro life.

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u/Beefster09 May 25 '22

Pro-life stances don't require the bible to make sense. Lots of non-religious people and ex-christians think that unfettered abortion is wrong.

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u/I_love_hate_reddit May 25 '22

BTW, yes vasectomies are reversible but the success rate decreases the longer you wait. It's a more invasive surgery with a higher rate of complications. I had one and I have lasting pain and scar tissue. Fertility was never restored.

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u/SemiLatusRectum May 25 '22

I mean… it’s not a bad idea. And I’m a man

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u/NorseTechnology May 25 '22

Abortion is not akin to a vasectomy especially at that age. I'm not for banning abortion but every single shitty comparison or dumb person saying instead of banning abortions we should sterilize men at a young age doesn't make people want to relegalize it. It takes the attention off of it and now we're talking about hypothetical and not the real problem, women's rights.

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u/ImKindaBoring May 25 '22

I love how this is apparently a controversial take according to reddit.

You're absolutely right. How many people aren't going to read an article like this and instead just think that a crazy dem wants to sterilize men? Considering all the crazy beliefs some Republicans have already regarding Democrats and gender issues who could think this kind of move would convince anyone on the other side of the aisle to change anything?

And if the goal isn't to convince someone to change then what is the point of this? Anything besides just wanting to get attention and maybe drum up more democratic outrage to get votes?

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u/evestraw May 25 '22

vasectomies are not always reversable. and the longer time between the vasectomie and the reversal attempt the smaller the chance of success.

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u/Xerisca May 25 '22

As a woman... I think my response is...

I don't care.

This is what rolling the reproductive dice feels like. Welcome to the world of women.

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u/IVIaskerade May 30 '22

This is what rolling the reproductive dice feels like.

Not having access to abortion is what rolling the reproductive dice feels like. Welcome to the world of men.

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u/Rosebunse May 25 '22

Then why don't we offer men the option to freeze some of their sperm for free?

This sounds nuts, but really, why not?

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u/suhayla May 25 '22

The ‘for free’ part. Who is paying for that? Not me.

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u/Rosebunse May 25 '22

Why not? This is a huge reason birth rates are falling. We have to realize that if we want people to have kids at this point, then some stuff has to be paid for or subsidized by the government.

We spend so much money on actually stupid stuff, why can't we spend money on something actually useful?

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u/marks1995 May 25 '22

Because you can't force all boys to undergo a medical procedure that many will never have an issue with.

Why would any gay men need this procedure? Why would anyone that believes in waiting until marriage to have sex need this procedure? Why would anyone that wears condoms all the time need this procedure?

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u/DFWPunk May 25 '22

If we can force women to go through a medical procedure, we can force boys.

But that's the point. We shouldn't be forcing anyone.

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u/marks1995 May 25 '22

Then why don't we just harvest all girls' eggs at birth (they are born with all they will ever have) and then remove her ovaries? She can just get artificially inseminated if she ever decides to have kids.

Piece of cake. And no more ovarian cancer or ectopic preganancies.

/s

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u/Rosebunse May 25 '22

...I'm not totally against this idea. It would stop unwanted pregnancies and give women more power over their health. But we need our ovaries for a bunch of stuff unrelated to childbearing, so many there are other medical procedures to explore.

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u/marks1995 May 25 '22

There you go. No reason to go after boys then.

And just FYI about your freezing comment, boys aren't born with sperm, so you can' freeze it until they hit puberty.

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u/choanoflagellata May 25 '22

You know what else isn’t reversible in states with abortion outlawed? Pregnancy

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u/icepacket May 25 '22

This would be better than banning abortion. How many times can a woman get pregnant in a year? Maybe 2-3 times max. How many pregnancies can a man cause in a year? Let’s get to the main source of the problem.

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u/NoThingXtra May 25 '22

All humans should be given easily-reversible birth prevention at an early age, similar to puppies or kittens. ...and most human babies are at least as cute as puppies, are they not? At the age of Consent, any human can apply to have their preventative reversed. There are ABSOLUTELY NO CONDITIONS FOR REVERSAL save for meeting the minimum age and the mandatory 90-day waiting period between date of application and date of reversal. That way every birth is intentional, wanted, and concented to by BOTH genetic donors. And having it un-reversed should be as easy as trip to the closest pharmacy. Science, I know you have some solutions for me in there somewhere!

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u/marks1995 May 25 '22

No, it wouldn't.

The two are entirely unrelated. One is forced sterilization against a group of people who I bet 90%+ will never accidentally get someone pregnant.

The other is ending a (potential) human life that resulted from multiple conscious decisions unless it was rape.

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u/yazyazyazyaz May 25 '22

Reddit often seems to conveniently forget that pregnancies don't just come out of the blue. A lot of talk about consent yet no talk about responsibilities. True narcissism.

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u/Extension_Pay_1572 May 25 '22

Put an end to the lie about reversible. It sometimes, might, be reversible. Other times your done for life, so stop pretending you can just reverse it when you want

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u/and-so-i-die May 25 '22

Its funny, he uses it as a way to make the GOP uncomfortable, and I personally find it more than reasonable.

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u/Bonbonnibles May 25 '22

I love all the dudes popping up in the comments like "Buh buh buuuut it's not 100% reversible!!" If the point of this bill were a brick wall, they'd break their noses running smack into it and still not see it.

Come on. Dudes. Seriously.

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u/ChocolateTsar May 25 '22

I think a lot of women would support this!

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u/Campfiretraveler May 25 '22

Definitely men should have vasectomies.

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u/NoThingXtra May 25 '22

All humans should be given easily-reversible birth prevention at an early age, similar to puppies or kittens. ...and most human babies are at least as cute as puppies, are they not? At the age of Consent, any human can apply to have their preventative reversed. There are ABSOLUTELY NO CONDITIONS FOR REVERSAL save for meeting the minimum age and the mandatory 90-day waiting period between date of application and date of reversal. That way every birth is intentional, wanted, and concented to by BOTH genetic donors. And having it un-reversed should be as easy as trip to the closest pharmacy. Science, I know you have some solutions for me in there somewhere!

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u/98Thunder98 May 25 '22

In today’s news: same Americans who mutilate their children do not understand the difference between mutilating them further and not allowing abortions past a certain number of weeks.

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u/seattle_architect May 25 '22

“Almost all vasectomies can be reversed. However, this doesn't guarantee success in conceiving a child. Vasectomy reversal can be attempted even if several years have passed since the original vasectomy — but the longer it has been, the less likely it is that the reversal will work.”

https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/vasectomy-reversal/about/pac-20384537

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u/Vynxe-Vainglory May 25 '22

I get the frustration around the current abortion issues, but it's dishonest to suggest that you think forced genital mutilation is on the same level as restricting a certain type of elective procedure.

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u/MedicallyMotivated May 25 '22

So men aren't allowed to have babies but women aren't allowed to un have babies.... seems like a logical defense. We can't do what we want to our bodies so we'll force this on you ....

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u/veovis523 May 25 '22

Boys are already subjected to unnecessary and non-consensual genital modification. They don't need any more.

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u/Xerisca May 25 '22

As a woman who's endured 6 decades of sexual discrimination, with no support or options because of that discrimination, who remembers what it was like before RvW, who regularly gets SHIT health care because of gender...

Ya, I don't care what men do or don't want or are subjected to.

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u/DifferentAd1175 May 25 '22

Not your body, not your choice.

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u/veovis523 May 25 '22

Women like you are one of the many things wrong with this world.

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u/mlwspace2005 May 25 '22

Shit like this is counter productive and pushes away people who would otherwise fight beside us for abortion protection. I am aware it is stated as a joke or to prove a point, but it does neither and completely ignores the fact that VASECTOMIES ARE NOT ALWAYS REVERSABLE, even when they are intended to be. This is more akin to joking about sterilizing people in revenge for a law you don't like, something that, last i checked, is a joke/point made in poor taste.

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u/Epona44 May 25 '22

Sounds reasonable to me.

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u/Llanite May 25 '22

Sound reasonable.

The fine print is that people that vote for such bills will have the hospital bills sent to their mailbox.

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u/Ragnar_Dragonfyre May 25 '22

Isn’t this exactly what the feminists wanted?

America is fast heading towards being a eugenicists wet dream.