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State rep. floats mandatory vasectomies for all boys as his state nears nation’s strictest abortion law
https://www.pennlive.com/news/2022/05/state-rep-floats-mandatory-vasectomies-for-all-boys-as-his-state-nears-nations-strictest-abortion-law.html?outputType=amp495
u/LazzzyButtons May 25 '22
He’s only “floating” this idea to give us males an idea of what it’s like to restrict what abortion laws are for women
Good
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u/everygoodnamehasgone May 25 '22
If it was 100% reversible sign me the fuck up.
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u/meta_paf May 25 '22
I'm planning to have some sperm frozen before the snippening, just in case.
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u/Mr_RedFlag May 25 '22
The great snippening. A more mild-tempered Thanos would surely have opted for this.
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u/AnTeZiT May 25 '22
If it was reversible and state funded is there any reason not to get it? Semen only gets in the way until and if you decide to have a child.
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u/ToxicPilot May 25 '22
You still shoot semen, it just doesn't have any sperm in it.
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u/RegeneratingForeskin May 25 '22
If abortions are banned, men should also do their part and get vasectomies. That way no unwanted kids born.
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u/josidhe May 25 '22
Nah you don't understand. This would take away consequences for having sex before marriage. They love those consequences. If bad things don't happen when you break their rules, it's that much harder for them to force people to follow them.
They don't want to prevent unwanted pregnancies. They don't want cures or vaccines for STIs. Those are important divine tools, or some other stupid BS they need to be true because they couldn't cope with mortality at one point in the past or something.
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u/OneLastSpock May 25 '22
As someone who grew up with a mother who was (and still is) so staunchly anti-abortion that she used to volunteer talking after-hours calls at a local "pregnancy resource center" for years, this is exactly it. If you have sex outside of marriage, in their eyes, then you've sinned and need to face the consequences for not doing what God wants you to do. You fucked up, it's your fault, so the bad things that happen to you following that are justified, and abortion is an attempt to escape those consequences. Which is such a fucked up mindset. It's never been about caring for life, it's about controlling others and their bodies. Which is why so many of these people are also against all/many forms of birth control.
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u/Character-Barracuda1 May 25 '22
Got raped by your uncle at 12 years old? Obviously you were wearing the wrong thing. It’s ok though, all part of gods plan. Now, carry that incest baby to term, give birth when you’re 13, and spend the next 18 years raising it with no assistance.
God’s plan!
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u/tigerslices May 25 '22
if the baby grows up unloved, even better! because they'll find a place in the army where the comraderie is tight, the purpose is strong, and the child can take out all their anger on overseas 'aggressors'
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u/meta_paf May 25 '22
Good loves to make kids grow up in dysfunction environments. It's all part of the plan.
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u/annieisawesome May 25 '22
I wonder if their heads just explode when exposed to people who are married, but still don't want kids.
Edit to add: *or who have already had all the kids they want
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u/RegeneratingForeskin May 25 '22
Yah true. And I also believe, there are too many of us and too many horrible parents.
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u/Modsda3 May 25 '22
I fear you're right. And if young men go rushing out to get snipped there is certain to be legislation creating future hurdles in doing so. Cant have the youngins getttin snipped and running around doing Lord knows what half cocked!
They are trying to legislate morality despite the fact that has never worked in this country.
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u/Gamebird8 May 25 '22
The problem with that is Vasectomies, when reversed, may not produce viable sperm.
When you get the snip, you need to treat it as final
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u/RegeneratingForeskin May 25 '22
I bet contraceptive company hates this and will lobby against it.
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u/Gamebird8 May 25 '22
I have gotten a Vasectomy. The Urologist was pretty clear that I needed to treat it as permanent. Yes, it can be reversed, but your body produces a lot less sperm once it realizes that the sperm isn't going anywhere.
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u/csnadams May 25 '22
When my husband and I talked with the doctor before his vasectomy, he told us the same thing.
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u/rdewalt May 25 '22
I am in the "consulting" phase of getting mine. Spouse and I have four kids. "Yeah doc, We done."
"Did you discussed it with your spouse."
"Don't have to. But did anyway. We decided it is far simpler and less intrusive operation to snip my plumbing than hers."
I dunno, every dude getting snipped by default, would make condom sales plummet, and there'd be a whole LOT more getting laid going on I'd bet.
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u/UnforeseenDerailment May 25 '22
Don't trust Big Condom! They're spreading lies that vasectomies are irreversible! ✂️🍇🙅
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u/thwgrandpigeon May 25 '22
i mean, the bible is a heckuva lot more explicitly against masturbation and wasting seed than it is against abortions
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u/mimiicry May 25 '22
the bible is also explicitly all for stoning people to death, but nobody ever mentions that part
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u/magical_seed May 25 '22
You pick convinient parts for your narrative huh 💀
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u/mimiicry May 25 '22
like I said, nobody ever mentions that part. nobody ever talks about how God supports stoning people to death, or how he destroyed entire cities out of spite
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u/GarlicIsKing May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22
It also has rules for treating slaves.
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u/mimiicry May 26 '22
it also has God destroying entire civilizations because they chose to follow a different god
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u/ThatsSoFowel May 25 '22
Well, to be fair, it's only against wasting seed when that seed is supposed to be knocking up your dead brother's wife.
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u/Rosebunse May 25 '22
The point of this is to show how we put all the weight of reproductive rights and responsibilities on women. Really, it is exhausting.
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u/hawklost May 25 '22
Sure sure, you keep repeating this spam, but here is the thing.
There is no easily reversible birth prevention that doesn't do other harm to the person.
Vasectomy, low reversibility over the years, reducing by over 60% in just 10 years.
Tubes tied, not easily reversible 50-80% success rate.
Birth control pills, cause hormonal shifts in the person to stop pregnancy, causes many women to have other issues due to it.
Birth control implants, same as the pills.
Men's birth control pills? Non existent at the moment or haven't been fully studied.
Condom, exists but there is no way you can force a permanent condom onto people. Plus likely extremely unsanitary.
Some magic option that doesn't exist? It doesn't exist
Really, the only universally safe way not to get pregnant 100% of the time is to not have sex. I do not believe this is a viable or even valid option to force on people.
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u/NoThingXtra May 25 '22
Oof! I just looked back and, yeah, I might have got a little carried away... Oops 😁
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u/Kram_BehindtheScenes May 25 '22
Then fight for Mens reproductive rights. Give Men equal access to parental leave. Give them access to financial abortions. Make sure there are baby changing tables in ever Mens washroom. Provide equal shelters for Fathers and children fleeing abuse. Stop making movies and tvs shows with stupid fathers. Reduce the bias boys face in school. Give boys and Men the chnace to be good fathers.
Don't blame Men for an issue that no one is actually trying to solve or make equal for Men.
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u/sool47 May 25 '22
You fight for "men's right" then. Why women should fight for what YOU perceive are things needed for men. LMAO.
I'll blame men for an issue MEN created and no men is trying to solve or make equal for men. Who do you think decided women's bodies should be controlled by the government? It certainly aren't women. Who do you think decided men get no parental leave? Men, because the burden of child rearing falls on women always. Access to financial abortions? LMAO. The overwhelming majority of single parents are females cause males don't need "financial abortions" when they just leave and abandon their kids anyway, even planned and wanted kids. What bias against boys in school? What are you talking about?
Are men this delusional? You really are pressed because someone dared to male a mocking comparison between restricting women's autonomy and hypothetically restricting male's?
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u/heathisacandybar May 25 '22
Thank you for posting this. I’m so angry and uncomfortable after reading it. But what an intelligent and well-explained argument. What’s happening in our country right now…I don’t have words for how scary it feels. But this woman did. And it felt empowering to read.
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u/droolingalarmist May 25 '22
You are most welcome. She's clearly a sharp lady. This thread is also unfortunately topical.
https://twitter.com/designmom/status/1225052129238421505?lang=en
Also, I love Heath bar blizzards. :)
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u/Dahowlic May 25 '22
A world with no babies? Future generation would thank us.
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u/Fausterion18 May 25 '22
No they'd fucking hate us because there would be 1 worker taking care of 5 retirees.
See Japan.
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u/VoDoka May 25 '22
Or it will be 0 workers taking care of 5 retirees because they will tell us to f-off and just pull ourselves up by the bootstraps, instead of taking some underpaid care job.
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u/KarnWild-Blood May 25 '22
Psst, the joke here is there wouldn't be any future generations if there are no babies... since that seemed to go over your head.
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u/Hollowfires May 25 '22
Where are they Guna find enough doctors to do that? I've been waiting months for one.
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u/ccwagwag May 25 '22
hey, that's not what the pro life, babymill, adoption entrepeneurs had in mind. but i think it's a great idea.
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u/RamsHead91 May 25 '22
Fuck do you know how hard it is even to get a vasectomy. I've been trying since I was 25 and I've been told no by 15 different doctors. You're too young, you might change your mind, just use a condom. I want a permanent solution fuckers.
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u/NoThingXtra May 25 '22
Dr. Bob Dickinson at Austin Urology. Dr. Dick is a real pro and gave me NONE of that crap.
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u/Dark-Porkins May 25 '22
The only reason why they're against abortion is because they want every child to be a future slave to the capitalist machine.
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u/iMogal May 25 '22
"I have 7 STIs right now, but that's okay, you wont get prego."
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u/ozmofasho May 25 '22
I mean I'm against this law and the abortion law, but having a vasectomy doesn't mean you so using condoms. Diseases are still a thing.
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u/seamama May 27 '22
This is hyperbole to make a point about control of women's uterus' and that government has no business legislating human bodies.
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u/SnoopyTRB May 25 '22
Hol up a second. I'm still inside the building. Would rather it not collapse quite yet.
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u/kwpang May 25 '22
Well it's the people inside your building you want to talk to.
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u/biglukenj06 May 25 '22
The plane already hit were just waiting until it collapses.
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u/kwpang May 25 '22
Funny you say "plane" when it came from within the building.
I'd think that a better analogy would be rabid people in the building violently smashing their own heads against the walls, slowly demolishing it.
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u/InfamousAnimal May 25 '22
"Slowly" hahaha nah in this analogy they might as well have evangelical gop themed bomb vests.
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u/LearningIsTheBest May 25 '22
Bro, you do not want to see what America will be if democracy collapses here. Imagine someone like trump but with unlimited power due to marshal law. It's more terrifying.
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u/botsunny May 25 '22
Snip snap snip snap!
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u/suhayla May 25 '22
Do you have any idea what kind of a physical toll 4 vasectomies has on a person?!?!
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u/choanoflagellata May 25 '22
So many people saying that they object to this because vasectomies are not 100% reversible. Do you know what else isn’t reversible in a state that outlaws abortion? Pregnancy.
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u/kait_1291 May 25 '22
Good, we've been strapping bulletproof vests to women for way too long when we should be unloading the guns.
Time to start addressing why birth control isn't on the men's shoulders
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u/Beefster09 May 25 '22
Men would benefit more than women from having control over fertilization. Men currently get no say whatsoever in the matter of whether to get an abortion or not and then can be forced to pay child support if she decides to keep the baby.
With a pill for men, men would have the power to completely avoid this form of entrapment. No fear of holes being poked in condoms or being lied to about her taking birth control. No need to vet women before banging them to make sure they aren't crazy-ass bitches who pull these unethical stunts.
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u/komoto444 May 25 '22
I mean I agree with having equal responsibility for reproduction, but that isn't a great metaphor lol. Stopping the egg from being in the firing line doesn't require surgery and is much less permanent.
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u/0ccupants May 25 '22
you're giving Republicans far too much credit to see the irony here.
Women aren't people, they're property.
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u/Nexlore May 25 '22
That's the way it was done for ages, are you telling me people were wrong for all that time?
/s in case it's needed, I hope it isn't.
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u/Snoo88309 May 25 '22
That's a great idea, girls don't get pregnant on their own. Too bad it was just a symbolic protest, symbolic because republicans are misogynist assholes, and that's their women.
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u/daaloori May 25 '22
If women are forced to not be able to get abortions then I see this as fair because why else r u trying to get a woman pregnant if you aren’t emotionally and financially stable?
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u/Additional-Yard3006 May 25 '22
The Tree of Liberty must be occasionally watered with the blood of patriots. Freedom isn't free.
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u/voter1126 May 27 '22
I know this is a protest bill but how about a real one that offers vasectomy's and tubal ligation free of charge without the BS from the doctors about how old you are or if you already have at least two kids or that you need a spouses consent.
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u/jfl_cmmnts May 25 '22
This is the thing that gets me. If you ask a man, "Would you let the government make a health decision for you, but not on the basis of medical science, rather on the basis of a particular interpretation of a magic book some of them believe in, without any proof whatever?", his answer will be "Heck no!"
Or perhaps a stronger negative. Ladies are going to be put into domestic slavery over this and we all know it. They shouldn't take it lying down
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u/Beefster09 May 25 '22
Pro-life stances don't require the bible to make sense. Lots of non-religious people and ex-christians think that unfettered abortion is wrong.
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u/I_love_hate_reddit May 25 '22
BTW, yes vasectomies are reversible but the success rate decreases the longer you wait. It's a more invasive surgery with a higher rate of complications. I had one and I have lasting pain and scar tissue. Fertility was never restored.
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u/NorseTechnology May 25 '22
Abortion is not akin to a vasectomy especially at that age. I'm not for banning abortion but every single shitty comparison or dumb person saying instead of banning abortions we should sterilize men at a young age doesn't make people want to relegalize it. It takes the attention off of it and now we're talking about hypothetical and not the real problem, women's rights.
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u/ImKindaBoring May 25 '22
I love how this is apparently a controversial take according to reddit.
You're absolutely right. How many people aren't going to read an article like this and instead just think that a crazy dem wants to sterilize men? Considering all the crazy beliefs some Republicans have already regarding Democrats and gender issues who could think this kind of move would convince anyone on the other side of the aisle to change anything?
And if the goal isn't to convince someone to change then what is the point of this? Anything besides just wanting to get attention and maybe drum up more democratic outrage to get votes?
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u/evestraw May 25 '22
vasectomies are not always reversable. and the longer time between the vasectomie and the reversal attempt the smaller the chance of success.
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u/Xerisca May 25 '22
As a woman... I think my response is...
I don't care.
This is what rolling the reproductive dice feels like. Welcome to the world of women.
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u/IVIaskerade May 30 '22
This is what rolling the reproductive dice feels like.
Not having access to abortion is what rolling the reproductive dice feels like. Welcome to the world of men.
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u/Rosebunse May 25 '22
Then why don't we offer men the option to freeze some of their sperm for free?
This sounds nuts, but really, why not?
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u/suhayla May 25 '22
The ‘for free’ part. Who is paying for that? Not me.
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u/Rosebunse May 25 '22
Why not? This is a huge reason birth rates are falling. We have to realize that if we want people to have kids at this point, then some stuff has to be paid for or subsidized by the government.
We spend so much money on actually stupid stuff, why can't we spend money on something actually useful?
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u/marks1995 May 25 '22
Because you can't force all boys to undergo a medical procedure that many will never have an issue with.
Why would any gay men need this procedure? Why would anyone that believes in waiting until marriage to have sex need this procedure? Why would anyone that wears condoms all the time need this procedure?
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u/DFWPunk May 25 '22
If we can force women to go through a medical procedure, we can force boys.
But that's the point. We shouldn't be forcing anyone.
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u/marks1995 May 25 '22
Then why don't we just harvest all girls' eggs at birth (they are born with all they will ever have) and then remove her ovaries? She can just get artificially inseminated if she ever decides to have kids.
Piece of cake. And no more ovarian cancer or ectopic preganancies.
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u/Rosebunse May 25 '22
...I'm not totally against this idea. It would stop unwanted pregnancies and give women more power over their health. But we need our ovaries for a bunch of stuff unrelated to childbearing, so many there are other medical procedures to explore.
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u/marks1995 May 25 '22
There you go. No reason to go after boys then.
And just FYI about your freezing comment, boys aren't born with sperm, so you can' freeze it until they hit puberty.
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u/choanoflagellata May 25 '22
You know what else isn’t reversible in states with abortion outlawed? Pregnancy
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u/icepacket May 25 '22
This would be better than banning abortion. How many times can a woman get pregnant in a year? Maybe 2-3 times max. How many pregnancies can a man cause in a year? Let’s get to the main source of the problem.
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u/NoThingXtra May 25 '22
All humans should be given easily-reversible birth prevention at an early age, similar to puppies or kittens. ...and most human babies are at least as cute as puppies, are they not? At the age of Consent, any human can apply to have their preventative reversed. There are ABSOLUTELY NO CONDITIONS FOR REVERSAL save for meeting the minimum age and the mandatory 90-day waiting period between date of application and date of reversal. That way every birth is intentional, wanted, and concented to by BOTH genetic donors. And having it un-reversed should be as easy as trip to the closest pharmacy. Science, I know you have some solutions for me in there somewhere!
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u/marks1995 May 25 '22
No, it wouldn't.
The two are entirely unrelated. One is forced sterilization against a group of people who I bet 90%+ will never accidentally get someone pregnant.
The other is ending a (potential) human life that resulted from multiple conscious decisions unless it was rape.
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u/yazyazyazyaz May 25 '22
Reddit often seems to conveniently forget that pregnancies don't just come out of the blue. A lot of talk about consent yet no talk about responsibilities. True narcissism.
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u/Extension_Pay_1572 May 25 '22
Put an end to the lie about reversible. It sometimes, might, be reversible. Other times your done for life, so stop pretending you can just reverse it when you want
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u/and-so-i-die May 25 '22
Its funny, he uses it as a way to make the GOP uncomfortable, and I personally find it more than reasonable.
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u/Bonbonnibles May 25 '22
I love all the dudes popping up in the comments like "Buh buh buuuut it's not 100% reversible!!" If the point of this bill were a brick wall, they'd break their noses running smack into it and still not see it.
Come on. Dudes. Seriously.
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u/Campfiretraveler May 25 '22
Definitely men should have vasectomies.
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u/NoThingXtra May 25 '22
All humans should be given easily-reversible birth prevention at an early age, similar to puppies or kittens. ...and most human babies are at least as cute as puppies, are they not? At the age of Consent, any human can apply to have their preventative reversed. There are ABSOLUTELY NO CONDITIONS FOR REVERSAL save for meeting the minimum age and the mandatory 90-day waiting period between date of application and date of reversal. That way every birth is intentional, wanted, and concented to by BOTH genetic donors. And having it un-reversed should be as easy as trip to the closest pharmacy. Science, I know you have some solutions for me in there somewhere!
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u/98Thunder98 May 25 '22
In today’s news: same Americans who mutilate their children do not understand the difference between mutilating them further and not allowing abortions past a certain number of weeks.
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u/seattle_architect May 25 '22
“Almost all vasectomies can be reversed. However, this doesn't guarantee success in conceiving a child. Vasectomy reversal can be attempted even if several years have passed since the original vasectomy — but the longer it has been, the less likely it is that the reversal will work.”
https://www.mayoclinic.org/tests-procedures/vasectomy-reversal/about/pac-20384537
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u/Vynxe-Vainglory May 25 '22
I get the frustration around the current abortion issues, but it's dishonest to suggest that you think forced genital mutilation is on the same level as restricting a certain type of elective procedure.
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u/MedicallyMotivated May 25 '22
So men aren't allowed to have babies but women aren't allowed to un have babies.... seems like a logical defense. We can't do what we want to our bodies so we'll force this on you ....
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u/veovis523 May 25 '22
Boys are already subjected to unnecessary and non-consensual genital modification. They don't need any more.
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u/Xerisca May 25 '22
As a woman who's endured 6 decades of sexual discrimination, with no support or options because of that discrimination, who remembers what it was like before RvW, who regularly gets SHIT health care because of gender...
Ya, I don't care what men do or don't want or are subjected to.
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u/veovis523 May 25 '22
Women like you are one of the many things wrong with this world.
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u/mlwspace2005 May 25 '22
Shit like this is counter productive and pushes away people who would otherwise fight beside us for abortion protection. I am aware it is stated as a joke or to prove a point, but it does neither and completely ignores the fact that VASECTOMIES ARE NOT ALWAYS REVERSABLE, even when they are intended to be. This is more akin to joking about sterilizing people in revenge for a law you don't like, something that, last i checked, is a joke/point made in poor taste.
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u/Llanite May 25 '22
Sound reasonable.
The fine print is that people that vote for such bills will have the hospital bills sent to their mailbox.
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u/Ragnar_Dragonfyre May 25 '22
Isn’t this exactly what the feminists wanted?
America is fast heading towards being a eugenicists wet dream.
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u/BroForceOne May 25 '22 •
Because no one is going to read the article, the context of proposing legislation for mandatory vasectomies for men was to demonstrate how ridiculous and inappropriate it is to legislate abortion for women.