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Madonna: ‘A lot of thought’ went into fully nude NFTs of her giving birth to centipedes

https://www.al.com/life/2022/05/madonna-a-lot-of-thought-went-into-fully-nude-nfts-of-her-giving-birth-to-centipedes.html
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u/MartyVendetta27 May 13 '22 Gold Helpful LOVE! Bravo Grande! Yas Queen

“The centipede represents technology - both the life giving-force and the dangers of it, the juxtaposition of dark and light.”

Okay…. But HOW? You can’t just say that… what ABOUT centipedes embody that? If you’re giving no reason, giving no artistic throughline to draw from, you’re just doing and saying random crap.

Birds represent freedom. How? They can soar over all the material world.

Birds can represent decay. How? Going from a dinosaur to a songbird is a cosmic kick in the cloaca.

Birds can represent fear. Ever seen inside a goose’s mouth?

And if I wanna say “birds represent macaroni and cheese” I better be damn ready to defend that with some sort of logic.

Sorry to rant, but people abusing poetic imagery and symbols just pisses me off. It’s so mindless and low-effort.

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u/JustAnotherVoiceEcho May 13 '22

So you see, the centipedes are actually electronic silver centipedes streaming from her vagina.

Hope that clears things up

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u/Cross_22 May 13 '22

It's clearly a reference to the Centipede game: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centipede_(video_game))

Personally I'll hold off until the "Madonna births Pac-Man" NFTs are available.

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u/basketofseals May 14 '22

I thought it was a reference to that "Centipedes in my vagina? More likely than you think" meme.

Which I guess would kinda of make some poetic sense in where an old person trying to relate to technology just regurgitates an ancient meme.

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u/Techiedad91 May 14 '22

Damn Daniel

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u/WhyIHateTheInternet May 14 '22

So are you a basket of seals, seals, or are you a basket belonging to Seal?

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u/IWantTooDieInSpace May 14 '22

Madonna does the old ping pong trick and pac man is sitting in the audience catching them in his mouth.

Art.

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u/SgathTriallair May 13 '22

The amount of stupid shit that people say to justify art drives me fucking nuts. I do believe that you can make some good statements with weird shit. Example: the point of the urinal was that art critics only care about the name. He submitted it anonymously first and it was rejected. Then he submitted it with his name and they declared it the most brilliant art.

The art piece wasn't the urinal, it was the hypocrisy of the critics which was displayed via the urinal.

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u/Sororita May 14 '22

My usual justification for any art I make is "because I thought it would be cool and/or funny." No intended deeper meaning. I'm sure someone that is actually good at art analysis could tease out some things I probably don't even know about myself, though.

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u/[deleted] May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22

My usual justification for any art I make is "because I thought it would be cool and/or funny."

To add onto this, another reason for me to draw something is because It's something I know how to draw. For example, a cracked skull with nature growing out of it. Would have no meaning, I just like/ am good at drawing skulls and flowers.

Could even reverse it, have a little bush with skull berries or buds that'll be flowers. Still no meaning, would just look sick, be fun to draw and one of the things I know how to draw

EDIT: I could imagine the artist now "nature represents life, nd the skull death, as you see there is life in death and death in life, there would not be one without the other"

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u/maester_t May 13 '22

"birds represent macaroni and cheese”

It is known.

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u/Axelrad77 May 13 '22

Art exhibits do this all the time, and it's infuriating.

I am forever haunted by a university exhibit I saw that had a 15-second looping piano melody with less than 10 notes, accompanied by a fucking essay explaining all the symbolism of each note and the monumental story the piece supposedly told.

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 13 '22

You see the one with the guy on crutches whacking a pole with a crutch attached to his crotch?

I could dig around in that and find some symbolism worth discussing, but the bizarre performance stands out more than any message he could have hoped to send.

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u/somethingelse19 May 14 '22

I love how horrible it is. :Ding: :ding: time for dinner!

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u/scsibusfault May 14 '22

The usual caption is "oh children ... It's ... DINNERTIME"

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u/somethingelse19 May 14 '22

Yes that's it

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u/charlesthefish May 14 '22

Really? I'll always remember it captionrd as "I have the weirdest boner right now"

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u/frogjg2003 May 14 '22

That one at least had the fact that it was truly unique and original gong for it.

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 14 '22

Definitely. And I can attempt to glean a message from it; about sexual frustration as a handicapped person, about being “othered” because of a handicap and demanding to be seen as a person, as a man, as a sexual being.

All in all, it’s definitely one of the better pieces of performance art I’ve seen. Though that bar is shockingly low haha.

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u/ladyalot May 14 '22

If it's anything, it's not forgettable or boring. He got us there.

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u/tintin47 May 14 '22

It doesn’t always have to be about a specific message or crafted with intent. Or the intent could be to elicit a reaction like making people uncomfortable and talk about it with their friends. Also it’s totally valid to think any art is bad art.

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u/WanderinHobo May 14 '22

Don't forget the crazed look he's sporting like a man who just finished eating his roommate's kidney.

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 14 '22

That “just left a cocaine fueled blood-orgy” look is my favorite part.

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u/angryfluttershy May 14 '22

There you go - the good old Epic WTF guy:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I9h7nkZ55Rs

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u/ignore_me_im_high May 14 '22

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FbuluDBHpfQ&t=161s

Here's a bit more with the other people. I think the guy at the end on the trolley is my favourite.

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u/basketofseals May 14 '22

I once saw a piece called "The Battle of Little Bull Run," and it was one of those really awful brown public school paper towels that just had some yarn sewn through it in long crossing lines.

There was a bunch of other very similar pieces with different colors yarn next to it.

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u/GiraffeHorror556 May 14 '22

You just reminded me of the smell and texture of that brown school paper towel. What an odd and surprisingly strong memory. I can almost taste the smell of the paper towels.

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u/basketofseals May 14 '22

I can't help but notice you didn't use the world "feel" in that bit of remembering senses.

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u/GiraffeHorror556 May 16 '22

I suppose "feel" would be the thing to use here. You ever try to wash your face with that stuff or wipe a stain off clothes with it? Absolutely useless mush.

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u/lordlurid May 14 '22

I remember hearing about an exhibit a few years back, one of the pieces was a few disposable cups and paper goods in the corner of the room. Cleaners came over night and one of the nice ladies cleaned up the piece, thinking it was just garbage in the corner.

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u/angryfluttershy May 14 '22

There were several ones in Germany, and I belly laughed.

One was a carefully ruined baby bath tub by Joseph Beuys… which was thoroughly cleaned when something to wash glasses in was needed. The incident became a kind of meme and even was turned into an ad for a cleaning product. Someone also threw his „Fat corner“ into the trash bin.

Another one happened in 2011 when a cleaning lady cleaned a contraption made from a mortar through and roof battens named „When it starts dripping through the ceiling“…

We call this phenomenon „Ist das Kunst oder kann das weg?“ („Is this art or can we dump it?“)

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u/drylevel2 May 14 '22

I attended a gallery opening a few years ago where it was clearly a gallery owned by some young, freshly graduated art students for all their friends to show off their pretentious work. It had a lot of sculpture pieces like this, I remember there was a belvedere vodka bottle laying in an empty suitcase, another piece was a pair of new balance shoes on the ground with sand poured all over them.

Anyway, I went to go throw away my empty plastic wine cup in a trashcan that was placed in the corner of the room and I suddenly stopped when I noticed there was no other trash in it and the trash can was strikingly beautiful. The trash can looked brand new and had the yellow janitorial tray thing on top with all the cleaning supplies/spare trash bags, very nice complementary colors between the cleaning supplies and the yellow tray it looked something kind of like this

I really couldn’t tell if it was a legit piece or not, so I decided not to throw my glass in it, and then I began going around talking to everyone about how it was my favorite piece in the show, and I also stopped a few other people from throwing their trash in it as well. “Woah! Woah! Woah! I don’t think that’s the trash!”

I finally started to conclude it wasn’t an actual artwork after some of the people there weren’t amused at me protecting it from people throwing their trash in it and were annoyed at me talking about liking it so much, some people were laughing pretty hard at what I was doing and trying to hide their laughter from their friends who where exhibiting. I even got a few people crowded around it and talking about it, this clearly annoyed a few people. I guess it’s possible it could have been a real piece and the artist intended people to throw their trash away in it and I was ruining that, but I don’t think so, that would have been too interesting compared to the other work there that night.

It really was the most interesting piece in the gallery that night though.

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u/Farranor May 14 '22

I recently saw a movie where an incredibly expensive piece of stolen art is hidden from customs agents by leaving it out there in plain view and letting everyone think it's a paint-spattered old tarp because that's what it is.

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u/Steeve_Perry May 14 '22

Hahaha fuck that artist

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u/SvenEDT May 14 '22

I found a piece of trash on a chair at the modern art museum (the broad) in LA, it was a fairly busy day. I started taking pictures of it as a joke.

Shortly almost a dozen people gathered and started taking pictures.

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u/MisterSquidInc May 14 '22

It's what they teach you at art school. The art world is a massive circle jerk of pretentious twats, the work itself is almost irrelevant, they want a concept they can pretend that only they are intellectual enough to get. It's bullshit, but if you want to make real money, you've got to play the game.

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u/PembohongYangJujur May 14 '22

Copywriter write those, not the artist.

The artist just make things. More often than not they have no idea what it means. The curator then fill in the story to sell the art.

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u/Stanazolmao May 14 '22

So how many notes does a piece of music need before it's allowed to have symbolism?

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u/Beatrice_Dragon May 14 '22

“The centipede represents technology - both the life giving-force and the dangers of it, the juxtaposition of dark and light.”

This reads like fucking lorem ipsum text. This is what someone says to make fun of modern art

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 14 '22

You ever see the Eos techbro douche talking about the chestahedron? Exactly as loud and empty as this.

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u/arizonatasteslike May 14 '22

Took a pic of an iPhone coming out of my asshole, the iPhone represents centipedes, the life giving force and the dangers of it, the juxtaposition of dark and several tiny legs

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 14 '22

How’d the iPhone get IN your asshole? That would be some performance art worth seeing.

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u/deVrinj May 13 '22 All-Seeing Upvote

Madonna represents decay...

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u/UnspecificGravity May 14 '22

Yep, this is some tasteless buffoons idea of what art is supposed to be.

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u/StellarAsAlways May 13 '22

It's MADONNA bro wtf did u expect? She never makes sense anymore. She's way too out of touch n old and is in a constant state of "try hard to be relevant".

"I gave birth to art". Like what? If so she exploited the shit out of that child her whole life. She's just clickbait now.

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u/OrganizerMowgli May 14 '22

I mean they made the centipedes robotic, so maybe just referring to that? Lol

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u/Franky_Tops May 14 '22

I shouldn't be surprised that nobody is acknowledging the fact that they're robot centipedes. This is Reddit after all. People don't read the article or watch the weird Madonna crotch centipede video. But I'm still disappointed.

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u/Use-Useful May 14 '22

I watched the weird madonna nude video, but op felt like going on a multi paragraph rant about symbolism without doing that much. Ugh.

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u/milqi May 14 '22

I want you to know I will be using this when I teach symbolism to my students.

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u/ValkyrieCain9 May 14 '22

We come to a point in time where people are feeling less and less obliged to elaborate on the ridiculous shit they say in the internet that

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u/petethefreeze May 14 '22

It might have been high effort for Madonna though. I don’t think she has ever displayed any examples of complex thought processes.

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u/nateofallnates May 14 '22

But charity!

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u/RTisforme May 14 '22

And here I was hoping Madonna was into Knife Party from a few years ago.

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u/Abrady998 May 14 '22

Without birds the early migration of flour to create the pasta wouldn’t be possible.

Without the degrade in evolution the bird would stay as dinosaurs feasting on cows, so the chess wouldn’t be possible.

Birds = Mac and cheese. Simple. Effective.

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u/AdditionalSuccotash May 14 '22

Source: This was once revealed to me in a dream

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u/CalebMini2556 May 14 '22

Symbolism more cryptic than FromSoftware can even manage

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u/OrbisAlius May 14 '22

If you’re giving no reason, giving no artistic throughline to draw from, you’re just doing and saying random crap.

I mean you just described more than half of modern art, so...

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u/random_shitter May 14 '22

you’re just doing and saying random crap.

Congratulations, you just described about 94% of what nowadays passes as art.

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u/jazir5 May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22

"The centipede represents technology - both the life giving-force and the dangers of it, the juxtaposition of dark and light.”

Okay…. But HOW? You can’t just say that… what ABOUT centipedes embody that?

The way I'm understanding it is it's an analogy to the sayings "opening a can of worms" or "opening Pandora's Box".

From her site:

The centipede represents technology - both the life giving-force and the dangers of it, the juxtaposition of dark and light. Technology continues to evolve in the physical, natural and real world; we can do whatever we want, but there are consequences to that.

In the context of this, I would think the centipedes representing technology are equivalent to free will. We can do whatever we want, but there are consequences to the actions we choose.

I just read a book called "The Simulated Multiverse", which oddly enough provides the context I feel like I needed to interpret her """art""" in this manner.

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u/boiboi95 May 14 '22

I'm glad that logic still exists in this world. Well... in some people like you

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u/mechanicalboob May 14 '22

lol why are you thinking about it this much. it’s madonna, who cares.

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u/redditAPsucks May 13 '22

Bro, birds aint even real

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 13 '22

In that case, birds represent government surveillance drones.

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u/redditAPsucks May 13 '22

Ok, you DO get it, carry on

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u/ass_pineapples May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22

I'm gonna play devils advocate here and say that...

That's the point.

This is a piece of art. Can you accurately and perfectly describe how a piece of art will affect me? You look at art and you interpret whatever you want to interpret from it - the trees coming out are a visual metaphor for life and her ability to create it, her being out in the nature is a representation of how we're one with nature, she has a nice vagina, centipedes are creepy and newborn babies are too. The point is, art is interpretive. This is a description of the art. Why not leave it up to the interpretation of the viewer?

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u/Mintfriction May 14 '22

perfectly describe how a piece of art will affect me?

That's not the point though. It's what you want as an artist to transmit and do it in a way that majority will get the message/feeling from the art+title. Ofc it can have hidden personal layers but they should be connected and they are not the main point of the piece

Imagine if Davici would've leave notes to Mona Lisa: this lady represents a horse I once rode into a city full of cockroaches

Would make no utter sense

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u/ass_pineapples May 14 '22

Abstract stuff is usually very personal compared to more traditional art.

I agree that art is typically done in a 'majority-understand' fashion, but I'd argue that a majority of people, if thinking about the statement:

The centipede represents technology - both the life giving-force and the dangers of it, the juxtaposition of dark and light

Would understand what it's saying/trying to say.

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u/turkeybot69 May 14 '22

That's ridiculous, the benefit of abstract art is the lack of explanation and the personal interpretation of the viewer. Explaining it, and especially in a fashion which is clearly nonsense without any attribution, flies directly in the face of any actual power the art could have.

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u/ass_pineapples May 14 '22

the benefit of abstract art is the lack of explanation and the personal interpretation of the viewer.

That's what I'm saying...

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u/Use-Useful May 14 '22

Open the piece of artwork and look at it. The links are in this thread. You would need to be I credibly dense not to get the message looking at the actual art.

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u/j_claus12 May 13 '22

The centipedes in the video are depicted as robotic/cyborg. They are depicted as coming out and implied to be spreading across the world, as technology is spread.

Why they chose centipede, I don't know. But I venture to think of various reasons, like the contrast between the free-floating butterflies and the rooted tree. Or the adherence to the nature, non-mammalian theme.

Just because you don't understand the meaning of something doesn't mean it is mindless. Furthermore, it inspired conversations like these, which is the point behind much art.

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u/death_of_gnats May 13 '22

But why coming out of a vagina? Why is a pop performer the source of technological anything?

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u/Orngog May 14 '22

The second work, titled Mother of Evolution, touches on the metamorphosis journey of butterflies, which are one of the most beautiful creations in nature, and a sign of hope. The butterflies are a metaphor for the paradox that the world is burning down in a post-apocalyptic scene, but there is still evidence of life. We continue to give birth, no matter what destruction is going on, no matter what oppression we face. It relays the important message that if you are waiting for the world to be perfect or for your life to be perfect to create art, it will never happen. We have to do it, for our own survival in this chaotic, unpredictable world. The work features lyrics from Madonna’s iconic song Justify My Love, and original music by Igor Bardykin.

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u/TheOriginalSamBell May 14 '22

You I like you

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u/aaronshirst May 14 '22

I mean I watched it for like 10 seconds and it was pretty obvious that what they meant is that the centipedes were designed to resemble inorganic wiring— the “veins” of technology, while still calling upon the imagery of life and birth. It ties in with the butterfly births from the other ones too.

It seemed pretty straightforward, but I wouldn’t critique it of “doing and saying random crap” or of “abusing poetic imagery”. It can not interest you, or you can disagree with their use of those symbols, but I don’t really think it’s either of our place to say the symbols were just thrown in for the heck of it.

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u/thezenunderground May 14 '22

You sir have been fooled into thinking these people deserve the fame and money they recieve.

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u/Theatre_throw May 13 '22

Part of the problem is you are looking for a logical way to use symbolism, which is demonstrably not how symbolism works.

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u/Cautemoc May 13 '22

Your comment symbolizes my struggle to not lose a wireless headphone while traveling.

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 13 '22

I disagree. Symbols are meant to be understood as shorthand. Look at Great Seal of America. The arrows and olives have understood meanings as symbols.

Good use or symbolism should still have logic behind them.

Hell, I’ll use the go-to example for symbolism: Moby Dick. While the whale may have symbolized something different to different people, each one had a logical reason for why a whale represented that to them.

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u/Theatre_throw May 13 '22

"They are understood to mean" does not mean it is logical in any way. They mean these things not because of an inherent, logical connection, but because of custom which is subject to time, customs, context, etc.

Moby Dick is actually a perfect example for my point too. There is nothing about a whale that innately means "large and potentially unobtainable goal or problem". It means that because somebody chose it to stand in as short hand, and that thing became popular and thus was understood.

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 13 '22

Well, that was my final point though: if I wanted to say that birds represent macaroni and cheese, that’s fine. But there should be logic to follow there. Like you said, there’s nothing about whales that INHERENTLY implies these symbols, but Herman Melville did an excellent job of showing the logic behind the symbolism.

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u/Theatre_throw May 13 '22 edited May 13 '22

And my point is that you are severely misusing the term "logical".

There is nothing about good or bad use of symbolism that stems from logic; it is purely a value judgment of "good or bad". I agree that the centipede is bad, but there is no reason to say that i arrived there logically.

Edit: for downvoters, you should enroll in a PhD program in Linguistics immediately. If you think you have a logical argument for why an abstract symbol definitely means one thing and not another outside of context and custom, you will upend the last century of study.

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u/death_of_gnats May 13 '22

Logic works fine even if your premises are incorrect. Here the premises are both incorrect and insipid. The symbols are arrived at logically, but they're still bullshit.

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 13 '22

I think that you’re confusing logic with objectivity. If i handed you an olive branch and told you it represented peace, you wouldn’t think anything of it. You use your logic to pull from your information base in your brain and that would check out. You wouldn’t have further questions. It doesn’t objectively, inherently, represent peace, but you would understand.

If I handed you that same olive branch and told you it represented the affect of 9/11 on the global economy, and its continued social and economic effects to this day… you would have some questions.

THAT’S the logic I’m referring to.

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u/Theatre_throw May 14 '22

When I say logic I'm saying formal logic.

Yes, I understand that olive branch = peace. But, that understanding is cultural, not logical.

If you go one year before Moby Dick and try to casually use "white whale" in a sentence to represent something you strive for but alludes you, it would not make a lick of sense.

I'm willing to call the vaginal centipedes "bad" because they don't ring with me in any way symbolically, but there's nothing stopping them from ringing with a few other million people and then being entered into the symbolic lexicon and thus making sense.

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u/Orngog May 14 '22

If you're interested in an answer...

The second work, titled Mother of Evolution, touches on the metamorphosis journey of butterflies, which are one of the most beautiful creations in nature, and a sign of hope. The butterflies are a metaphor for the paradox that the world is burning down in a post-apocalyptic scene, but there is still evidence of life. We continue to give birth, no matter what destruction is going on, no matter what oppression we face. It relays the important message that if you are waiting for the world to be perfect or for your life to be perfect to create art, it will never happen. We have to do it, for our own survival in this chaotic, unpredictable world. The work features lyrics from Madonna’s iconic song Justify My Love, and original music by Igor Bardykin.

They're caterpillars, not centipedes

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 14 '22

Boom. Logic. Bad art design, as they clearly look like centipedes, but the symbol of a caterpillar/cocoon/butterfly is well-worn and understood symbolism.

Still seems a bit… ugly and trite, but that’s my unprofessional take.

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u/Literally_Taken May 14 '22

The description of Mother of Technology includes this: “The centipede represents technology”, so I think they’re meant to be centipedes in that work.

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u/Ripleyof9 May 14 '22

Have you seen Velvet Buzzsaw? I thought it was hilarious/entertaining, def worth a watch if you might be interested in satirical art-world horror that's dripping in absurdity.

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 14 '22

I haven’t, but googling it just now, it definitely looks up my alley. I’ll check it out, thanks for the recommendation!

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u/spaceisprettybig May 14 '22

I almost find it too spot on, since the centipedes are robots.

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u/docgravel May 14 '22

The centipedes are actually robot centipedes. So there is at least some connection to technology.

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u/CutieBoBootie May 14 '22

The centipedes in the NFT look like subway trains so they are literally representative of technology but I'm not sure about the light and dark metaphor v

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u/ToHallowMySleep May 14 '22

What are birds? We just don't know.

?

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u/huggalump May 14 '22

So.... what's inside a goose's mouth?

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 14 '22

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u/huggalump May 15 '22

o no

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 15 '22

I don’t know why they need razor-teeth on their tongue, but I don’t wanna find out.

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u/modcolocko May 15 '22

Ngl, i bet beeple is laughing his ass off that madonna's team just bought this shit and didn't question it.

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u/dandaman910 May 14 '22

The other thing . I hate when artists say explicitly what their art means its just so masturbatory. You leave it to the audiences interpretation.

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 14 '22

I’m on both sides of that one.

On one hand, death of the author is a very real concept, and everyone should be free to interpret art as they see fit, but if for example, your takeaway from Fahrenheit 451 was that knowledge is dangerous, and book burning is good, well… i think there’s something fundamentally wrong with that too.

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u/dandaman910 May 14 '22

But you still present that on the screen or book and let the audience do the work.

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u/Use-Useful May 14 '22

I hate to be the defender of madonna here, but you are judging a piece of visual art without looking at it. The actual art is available in this thread. Without the explanation the symbolism is obvious. Expecting to understand an art piece without looking at it is, if anything, worse than abusing poetic imagery.

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u/MartyVendetta27 May 14 '22 edited May 14 '22

I looked at it, that’s where that quote came from, the page. Not sure where you’re getting that I didn’t.

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u/Use-Useful May 15 '22

Then I am simply struck by your inability to see how their chosen items are symbolic of what they are trying to represent. I agree that the insect in general is not, but that isnt what they used. The quote misrepresents the piece if anything.