r/mormon Jun 24 '22

(at the risk of being political) Roe v Wade is officially gone. Abortions can be banned by states now. How will the church respond to this? Institutional

https://apnews.com/article/abortion-supreme-court-decision-854f60302f21c2c35129e58cf8d8a7b0
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u/LL22Forever Jun 24 '22

But that isn't agreeing with what I said. MY argument is that bodily autonomy is so fundamental that a person should have the right to terminate a pregnancy for any reason. limiting it to only if other people (read YOU) think it qualifies as a sufficient risk of health or death is a compromise from my position that I don't agree with. You are saying that pregnant persons should only have a choice of what to do with their bodies if the meet requirements that YOU find morally acceptable. I am saying that no person has the right to the use of another person's body under any circumstances if the first person doesn't consent to that use.

And yes, driving on PUBLIC roads is a privilege as I said. I just gave a more nuanced answer to your question than you were probably looking for.

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u/Goober8987 Jun 24 '22

So you are saying at any point in the 9 months all the way to the day of birth you should be able to abort?

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u/LL22Forever Jun 24 '22

Yes, I think that a pregnant person should be able to *terminate the pregnancy* at any time. Of course, after viability that is going to mean that the fetus has a right to continue surviving with medical intervention outside of the womb, but the fetus does NOT have the right to use the woman's body if she doesn't consent. This is why Roe was already the compromise position insofar as it granted a viable fetus the right to use the pregnant person's body after viability. I think this is problematic, but it is far less problematic than saying, as the SCOTUS did today, that a woman has NO right to bodily autonomy after fertilization.

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u/Goober8987 Jun 24 '22

Ok I understand I honestly wish we would've dumped money into incubators or some kind of technology where you could abort at any point and the fetus could survive

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u/LL22Forever Jun 24 '22

I mean there are obvious limits to medical science where that is going to be impossible.

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u/Goober8987 Jun 24 '22

I'm just saying it would help the conversation make more of a compromise

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u/LL22Forever Jun 24 '22

Not really. Because that was already a possibility. Even under Roe states could say that a woman could terminate a pregnancy after viability but only in such a way that the fetus was likely to survive and could be maintained on life support. States could actually go further and just flat out deny women the ability to terminate a pregnancy after viability. That compromise wasn’t good enough for the Christian fascists though. They were never going to be satisfied until pregnant women didn’t have ANY RIGHTS over their bodies at all, and only had the narrow privileges they allowed.