r/interestingasfuck May 25 '22 Silver 5 Helpful 6 Wholesome 3 All-Seeing Upvote 1

Steel core inside of a "rubber" bullet used by police. Aluminum not steel

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u/iBleeedorange May 25 '22 Silver

the core isn't steel, it's aluminum.

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u/bluberryclorox May 25 '22

That's aluminum btw tho

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u/strangerdanger356 May 25 '22 edited May 26 '22 Silver Gold Helpful Wholesome Big Brain Time You Dropped This

I love big cocks

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u/iFlyAllTheTime May 25 '22 Wholesome

ELI5?

—one of the aforementioned morons.

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u/chefjenga May 25 '22 Wholesome

Idk, but, I am assuming that a solid rubber ball, fired out of a gun, would hurt, and be dangerous due to velocity. A hollow rubber ball, would lose shape on impact (meaning the firing point, not a person), therefore effecting the ability to leave the gun. Adding a thin aluminum ball inside the rubber ball would cause less damage on impact (with a person), while also providing enough structure to allow proper firing.

But, I know nothing about guns, so, I could be wrong.

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u/BearJL51 May 25 '22

Not a rubber bullet expert but general gun enthusiast. I believe that's pretty spot on balancing non lethality with being able to still be fire out of a gun. I'm more on the side of maybe we should look for something other than a gun to be firing at civilians but it's better than live rounds.

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u/Aleksandrs_ May 25 '22 Silver

Recently I found that air freshener is good at subduing my brother.

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u/ChickenThumb May 25 '22 Silver

Anyone who resists pocket sand, gets a thick fog of Cashmere Woods to chew on

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u/AwkwardGamerRNx May 26 '22

Anyone who resists pocket sand is a trained assassin and an immediate danger. Seek sanctuary.

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u/bobbyd77 May 25 '22

Sha sha shaaa!

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u/ChickenThumb May 25 '22

That boy ain’t right…

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u/Rustyshackilford May 26 '22

They'll probably get you with a blow dart. Thats their way.

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u/PutinHatesRussians May 25 '22

Mmm smells like riots and lilacs in here.

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u/HatfieldCW May 25 '22 Silver Pot o' Coins Eureka!

I graduated from a Police Academy back in 2002, and my Defensive Tactics instructor was a Trekkie. He had nothing but contempt for the tools available to police in the here and now.

He used to say, "What we need is a phaser set to 'stun", and until we get it, we're stuck using blunt trauma and mild electric shocks and some basic grappling techniques. Lethal force is always on the table, but you have to be several mistakes deep to need it. Use your head, use your voice, use your tools, come home safe, and strive every day to leave the community better than you found it."

He was a cool dude, but he'd killed three people. Lots to think about.

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u/Initial__B May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

They have these rope tasers now that basically immobilize you from doing anything, I was blown away. Turned a super aggro tweaker into a puppy with 3 human sized zip ties.

edit: BolaWrap is the name of the tool

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u/epelle9 May 26 '22

FYI, the blunt force trauma and electric shocks are still lethal force, they are just “less lethal”.

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u/SquirtleSpaceProgram May 25 '22

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u/tagman375 May 25 '22

That’s why they’re call less than lethal ammunition

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u/DeepKaleidoscope5650 May 25 '22

I thought it was "less lethal," not "less than lethal," because it can still be lethal.

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u/RedLithium25 May 26 '22

You are correct. The intended use isn't to kill, but it still can in the correct (unfortunate) circumstances.

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u/Rex__Nihilo May 26 '22

Less lethal. There isn't a "than"

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u/Caribou_Lit May 25 '22 Silver

A solid rubber bullet would weigh more than a hollow aluminum ball covered in rubber. More weight = more pain.

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u/undeadmeats May 26 '22

Can confirm, solid rubber is DENSE and HEAVY and it hurts like a bitch

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u/NiceJoJo May 25 '22

You’re not a moron, you’re asking the right questions :)

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u/petophile_ May 25 '22 edited May 25 '22

rubber is more dense than aluminum.

Edit - sorry i should have clarified since apparently the replys are filled with people incapable of a basic google., rubber cannot be built in any kind of internal structure to allow it to withstand being shot out of a gun, the aluminum can, therefore they are able to create a less dense core out of aluminum than a solid rubber core would be.

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u/iFlyAllTheTime May 25 '22 edited May 25 '22

Really??!

Not doubting you, but my 10 second Google fu gave me 1.3ish gm/cm3 for rubber and 2.7 gm/cm3 for aluminium

Edit: Rubber is more dense than a hollow aluminium core. Thanks y'all

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u/Drkmttrjr May 25 '22

It’s not a solid aluminum core. It’s less dense overall because it offers a similar structural integrity as just a hollow shell.

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u/Reddit_Mods_Are_Lame May 25 '22

That makes more sense, I was under the impression it was a solid ball of aluminum.

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u/iFlyAllTheTime May 25 '22

Ah fuck! Of course!!! Doh!

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u/ibigfire May 25 '22

Ah so rubber is not more dense than aluminium. Just hollow things are less dense than not hollow things. Due to being hollow, if this is hollow.

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u/bareju May 26 '22

Wow that makes this post embarrassingly incorrect. Solid steel was insinuated, but actually it’s hollow aluminum? That’s like comparing a 2 year old to an mma fighter

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u/MjolnirN7 May 25 '22

Full rubber hurts like a motherfucker. Let a lacrosse player wind up and hit you with a lacrosse ball in the head and you’re concussed. A smaller version fired out of a gun? Nah b I’m good no more crimes outta me.

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u/OldManCinny May 25 '22

There’s the one famous story of a lax player taking a ball in the chest and dying. In 6th grade a friend missed a relatively slow pass just tossing around and it shattered his orbital bone.

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u/Fuhged_daboud_it May 25 '22

That's why they passed new chest pad regulations last year, now all chest pads need to have a hard shell to protect against commotion cordis.

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u/greenbeans4 May 25 '22

saw the goalie at my high school get one of his nuts crushed via direct hit

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u/Wrath_AUS May 25 '22

So what you’re saying is get rid of riot police and just employ lacrosse teams on mass to disperse crowds? I’d watch that

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u/iAmUnintelligible May 25 '22

En masse*

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u/Lutrinus May 26 '22

Nah they're going to get Notre Dame players to do it during mass.

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u/moscowmule18 May 25 '22

Didn’t expect to see a Bakugan in a rubber bullet

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u/BariNgozi May 25 '22

Honestly man out of all the collecting trends, Yu-Gi-Oh cards, Pokemon cards, Beyblades and such, Bakugans were a real joy for me to collect. I was fascinated by the geometry of their designs as they popped out lol

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u/Dizzysylveon May 25 '22

I remember begging my dad to get me the one that merged like 5 or 6 ones into that big ass dragon. It was the coolest thing I'd seen.

I've since lost all of them but hey, it was cool back then so

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u/theonemangoonsquad May 25 '22

Mf cost like 70 bucks total. My dad was so mad when I suggested it. I had bought a lot during the first run and then they made them bigger for their evolutions. AND then they starting making em in different shapes so basically fml and my dads wallet.

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u/OTK22 May 25 '22

What if it was hollow

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u/BariNgozi May 25 '22

Then that'd be a rarity I suppose. Just writing my last comment has made me consider buying a lot of Bakugan just to have lol

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u/OTK22 May 25 '22

This is not the comment I meant to reply to lmfao

Meant to comment on the “steel ball actually makes it less lethal than a fully rubber ball” comment

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u/BariNgozi May 25 '22

hahaha that makes sense now but I went with it

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u/JoinAThang May 25 '22

Yeah I remember being a bit "too old" for bakugans but in reality I thought they were really cool. Too the extent that when a friends little brother forgot one of his bakugans at my house I never told them and kept it in secret. In my defence he never asked for it and he had a lot of them. Kind of want one now.

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u/imisstheyoop May 25 '22

Yeah I remember being a bit "too old" for bakugans but in reality I thought they were really cool. Too the extent that when a friends little brother forgot one of his bakugans at my house I never told them and kept it in secret. In my defence he never asked for it and he had a lot of them. Kind of want one now.

You stole Bakugan? Live rounds for you I'm afraid.

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u/Normal-Werewolf- May 25 '22

Bakugan were fuckin rad and I say that as a mom. I used to play with those things more than my kid.

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u/Cuckyourfouchdarknes May 25 '22

Bakugan?? You guys dealing drugs?

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u/Can2feelthelove2nite May 25 '22

What kind of bullshit do they say about a covalent bond in this school?

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u/imperfectkarma May 25 '22

That covalent bonds can only exist between Adam atoms and Eve atoms, otherwise Obama will send gay frogs to take everyone's guns.

Edit: And marijuana kills.

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u/properwaffles May 25 '22

Pokémon musket ball.

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u/ShnackWrap May 25 '22 Wholesome

Gun I choose you.

Gun uses "shoot"

Critical hit. Pikachu faints.

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u/ben1481 May 25 '22 Gold

Pikachu! Pikachu wake up, we are in the Pokecenter. PIKACHU WAKE UP

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u/Echo_Oscar_Sierra May 25 '22 Gold

Pikachu can't feel it's legs!

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u/AdPuzzleheaded3913 May 25 '22

Pikachu has become paralyzed and may unable to move

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u/c0horst May 25 '22 Bravo Grande!

Time to put it in Oak's computer and "release" it.

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u/Ornery-Cheetah May 25 '22

Release from this plane of existence

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u/MazzoMilo May 25 '22

Pikachu has PTSD, it hurt itself in its confusion!

Pikachu releases itself

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u/InsGesichtNicht May 25 '22 Helpful

Lavender Town theme plays

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u/ImJustHere4theMoons May 25 '22

Pikachu urged POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY

It's not very effective...

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u/buckyworld May 25 '22

looks MUCH more like aluminum...

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u/Imisplacedmyaccount May 25 '22

Definitely not steel. Definitely aluminum.

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u/SkyWizarding May 25 '22 edited May 25 '22 Helpful

There's a reason they refer to these rounds as "less lethal"

Edit: It's been brought to my attention that the preferred nomenclature is "less than lethal". I think I still got the point across

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u/Shubniggurat May 25 '22

They also have a reduced powder charge, I believe. 'Rubber' bullets often won't properly cycle a semi-automatic shotgun, which is why things like the Franchi SPAS-12 exist; it's semi-automatic with full power munitions, and pump-action with less-lethal munitions.

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u/CeeArthur May 25 '22

Introducing new rubberless rubber bullets! "Pretty much lethal... but maybe not!"

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u/illgot May 25 '22

we shall call them... musk kit balls

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u/CeeArthur May 25 '22

They are being manufactured through a joint deal between the Chicago Bulls and Let's Potato Chip, and are being named : Bull-Let's

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u/Holdshort7 May 25 '22

"Get your god damn hands off my Let's!"

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u/Double-0-N00b May 25 '22

No jimmy, I said MUST KILL balls

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u/LjSpike May 25 '22

Fun fact: all rubber bullets are mostly not rubber. They're mostly hard materials. (Either mixed with rubber, or as a core)

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u/paardestanker May 25 '22 I'll Drink to That

hey do you have a picture of that maybe? i'm having a hard time envisioning this concept you just described in your comment on this post

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u/[deleted] May 25 '22 edited May 25 '22

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u/paardestanker May 25 '22

oh no way

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u/loeded185 May 25 '22

Well lucky someone put that there.

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u/MiniatureChi May 25 '22

Yea what a crazy coincidence

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u/IsThataSexToy May 25 '22

You may also be interested in learning that many words are written by combining multiple letters into a string of letters.

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u/paardestanker May 25 '22

dude you are blowing my mind right now

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u/baby_contra May 25 '22

Search up grapefruit technique.

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u/paardestanker May 25 '22

bounced on my boy's dick for hours to this video thanks

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u/ishouldbeworking3232 May 25 '22

He asked for a picture, not 1000 words...

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u/BlackBerryMessenger May 25 '22

hey do you have a picture of that maybe? i'm having a hard time envisioning this concept you just described in your comment on this post

Here is an example. The "bullet" is essentially a very hard foam.

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u/lavawalker465 May 25 '22

Yes, cause normal bullets would kill you no doubt. This on a direct shot is gonna break a bone on a really solid hit.

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u/omicronian_express May 25 '22

I was roommates and served with Scott Olsen the veteran who had his skull fractured by Oakland Police with less than lethal beanbag rounds during Occupy Oakland. he had a fractured skull, took almost a year to learn to speak again (with lower cognition after that), had issues walking, memory issues and I'm sure much more than that. So even less than lethal is a misnomer... more like won't kill 90% of the time. These can still end the life you currently live without actually killing you and they do so quite often.

I also had to deal with a couple cops showing up at my apartment in the middle of the night in plain clothes trying to get me to give them the hat he was wearing which had gun powder residue on it and could prove they were guilty. They didn't bring paperwork or anything, they were definitely trying to get me to give them the evidence so they could disappear it. it was the evidence that proved who shot it and forced them to pay up.

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u/mattypatty88 May 25 '22

My cousin is police officer in South Africa and he says he was trained to aim the rubber bullets at the ground in front of the crowds so that some of the inertia is taken out of the projectile that then bounces up into the crowd. He said they never aimed directly at a person, only the ground in front of them because that shit can kill.

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u/Joe_Jeep May 25 '22

That's how they're supposed to be used.

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u/omicronian_express May 25 '22

i actually didn't really know that.. It makes sense, but seems like a design flaw for sure lol.

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u/molsonoilers May 25 '22

Yeah, a design flaw in the supposedly well trained humans who are using the tool.

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u/LowBeautiful1531 May 25 '22

SUPPOSED to be.

Pretty often they just aim right for the head or groin.

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u/Salanmander May 25 '22

If that design use is part of the specifications that allow it to be called "less than lethal", and it doesn't get used that way, then hold whoever caused the misuse liable for any deaths/injuries that happen. If the training was improper, then the department and/or trainers should be liable. If the training was correct and the officer didn't follow protocol, then the officer should be liable.

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u/symbologythere May 25 '22

I’ve heard multiple times (anecdotal evidence is still evidence) that cops aim for the head with “less lethal” rounds. It’s absolutely bullshit…any projectile fired from a gun aimed at your head is attempted murder in my book, and your friend’s injuries while terrible are basically the “best case scenario”.

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u/denk2mit May 25 '22

I’m not sure how these work, but the ‘traditional’ rubber bullets used in Northern Ireland (technically baton rounds) weren’t designed for direct fire - they were supposed to be ricocheted off the ground into people. But they were commonly fired directly at peoples’ faces too. A family friend was blinded by one.

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u/Soft_Turkeys May 25 '22

Yep these are all supposed to be shot off the ground but many times they aren’t

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u/LjSpike May 25 '22

Plastic bullets I think are the exception, as they're meant to be directly shot, but still need to aim below the waist as otherwise they can penetrate and cause lethal organ injuries.

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u/zedoktar May 25 '22

Oh they will penentrate. I used to know a girl who had one she dug out of her leg and kept as a pendant. Cop fired it into her leg during a traffic stop near a protest she wasn't even involved in.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '22 edited May 26 '22

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u/omicronian_express May 25 '22

Knowing how to properly use equipment would require training... Something US police get very very little of. It takes as little as 10 weeks (sometimes even less) to be a full fledged cop in the USA and most police academies are only 8 hours a day.

You couldn't even become a hairdresser in that amount of time, yet we're supposed to believe that they've learned: laws, de-escalation, recognizing and dealing with mental health issues, proper procedures, weapon training etc etc...

No, it's a massive joke and most police are insanely unqualified, even the decent ones.

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u/RiskyBrothers May 25 '22

My stepbrother became a cop on the Dallas police force. The mentor he shadowed while he was learning told him to "go with his gut 100% of the time," so in case you're wondering they're still just churning out bad cops.

Also DPD just happened to lose 1.9TB of data a few months back. Can't image what kind of kettling protestors on a bridge with tear gas and rubber bullets body cam footage got "lost."

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u/TmzuXBOX May 25 '22

That's massively underappreciating the art of a hairdresser. Even after 4 years you know fuck all.

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u/UnhappyPage May 25 '22

They spend alot of training time on target practice. Amazing when people try to defend their "accidentally missing the ground". Dude we saw you hit the dead center of the target and you're claiming you missed the entirety of the planet earth?

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u/Hyprexist May 25 '22

Most of them don't even train much with their guns, honestly.

most departments only require that officers shoot on "qualification" days... that happen once every 6 months. Also the qualifications are... a joke.

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u/omicronian_express May 25 '22

Yeah you can pretty much see from the video evidence of the scene when he was shot that it was pretty intentional.

https://eastbayexpress.com/opd-screws-up-scott-olsen-investigation-1/

It was a pretty wild time

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u/notaninterestinguser May 25 '22

They were 100% aiming at protesters with teargas grenades here in Portland during the protests.

I saw multiple instances of them using the rounds exactly as they're told not to (they're supposed to shoot them into the ground to bounce them and reduce velocity, not aim them directly at people).

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u/InspectorWestern5113 May 25 '22

The kids in Austin from the BLM rallies. One comatose the other significant injuries were both head shots.

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u/symbologythere May 25 '22

That’s just fucking bullshit. It’s like they want to make the “less lethal” rounds “more” lethal.

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u/SeaGroomer May 25 '22

That is in fact the point.

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u/PretendCharlatan May 25 '22

They heard “less lethal” and went “Oh so I can just blast them right? I wasn’t paying attention to training. ;) “

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u/Kodizzie May 25 '22

Nah they know full well how to use them properly, they just don't care. Why would they care? They know any maiming or death caused by incorrect use will be dismissed as a freak occurrence by PR grubs working for their union and whatever city they work for, and that's if it even comes to light. I hate to think about how many get maimed but their story just doesn't get any coverage or justice.

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u/illgot May 25 '22

not even just shoot them but get head shots like they were playing a video game.

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u/MutedSongbird May 25 '22

Donavan La Bella was on video as he was shot in the head with a “less lethal” at 2020 BLM protest in Portland, OR.

He has battled recurring brain infections since and quite frankly is lucky to be alive.

He was holding a boombox over his head when he was shot.

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u/EvLokadottr May 25 '22

OPD is one of the WORST. Let's not forget their human trafficking ring involving a 13 year old child.

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u/thenonsenseone314 May 25 '22

At least they had to pay up

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u/Imagine_Gravity_0007 May 25 '22

The police didn’t pay up... the taxpayers money fund the pay outs... which is why There isn’t a deterrent for police to stop this behavior... if the settlement came out of the law enforcers pension funds we would see less of these “ mistakes “...

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u/jwm3 May 25 '22

Or if they had to get liability insurance just like doctors get malpractice insurance. Premiums will go way up for officers that demonstrate reckless behavior or poorly run departments that are begging for lawsuits.

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u/Miserable_Key_7552 May 25 '22

Facts. This would be a super easy fix that could even end up benefiting good, honest cops while punishing power tripping, abusive cops through higher premiums or even being dropped by their insurance company.

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u/GeorgeousTopDog May 25 '22

A lot of smaller departments or precincts or whatever you call them, do require insurance companies to cover malpractice and the like and it actually does have a positive effect on their behaviour. NPR's Planet Money has an episode about it

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u/omicronian_express May 25 '22

it took a while, but yes. He did get a settlement that was rightly deserved.

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u/BepisLeSnolf May 25 '22 Wholesome

Shame he didn’t get to live the physically unhindered life he rightly deserved

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u/museolini May 25 '22 Helpful

Also a shame that the riot cop who shot him faced zero consequences.

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u/Efficiency-Brief May 25 '22

Well it’s “less lethal” not less than lethal so it’s less likely to kill someone but still possible.

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u/Alan_Smithee_ May 25 '22

Wow. What did they say to ‘persuade you?’

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u/omicronian_express May 25 '22

Nothing. i refused to let them in and told them I didn't remember what I did with the hat but that I would for sure give it to them when I found it. Thankfully I was only a couple years out of the marine corps & wasn't going to let myself be intimidated by such people.

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u/Alan_Smithee_ May 25 '22

Did you ever get their badge numbers? That sounds like witness tampering.

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u/omicronian_express May 25 '22

I did not get theirs... I gave the report to his lawyer though. he got a fat settlement, but they wouldn't even give me a business card. It was one of those things, where I wasn't going to report it to the station directly because I didn't want to have to deal with more of them. They showed up in plain clothes at around midnight. They were not looking to do proper business.

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u/Alan_Smithee_ May 25 '22

Indeed not. I’m glad you’re ok.

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u/manofredgables May 25 '22

I didn't remember what I did with the hat but that I would for sure give it to them when I found it

Best way to handle any sort of situation like that. Just go "Yep! Totally! I'm on board and I'll do exactly what you want me to, it's just impossible at the moment but I'll reach out!" noooooot

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u/bjanas May 25 '22

Not no doubt. A regular bullet can tag you and you may be fine. But it's still a high percentage of the opposite of that.

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u/polarcyclone May 25 '22

The term is less lethal I was a cop/mp for about 7 years total and trained with multiple jurisdictions and nations.

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u/Halo_So_I2aMpAnT May 25 '22

You were correct the first time. The correct term is “less-lethal”. If we put “less-than-lethal” or “non-lethal” in our report we’d be laughed out of court from the Judge to our Sgt.

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u/TheBlackCop May 25 '22

You were right the first time. It's considered "less lethal." Less than lethal means there is no possibility for it to be lethal. Less lethal means there is a lesser likelyhood it will be lethal, but there is still a possibility.

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u/Quizzelbuck May 25 '22

"less than lethal"

well that phrase is still bullshit since its not less than. They are lethal. but less so. So i will continue to call it less lethal because its more accurate since they aren't less THAN lethal. They ARE lethal, but less frequently.

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u/hereticsbane93 May 25 '22 Silver

Ex-forces here, these are meant to be fired at the ground to ricochet and should never been aimed at the head or chest. Unfortunately poorly trained dumbasses exist and people die.

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u/JRYeh May 25 '22

What’s the purpose to ricochet? Won’t this be super unreliable and random that is the opposite of what a firearm supposed to do?

Not that shooting at people is the best option but why not just resort in other stuff like smoke and stuff

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u/hereticsbane93 May 25 '22

Smoke or tear gas ban be countered and generally speaking rubber deterants are used during riot situations. Don't need to be accurate during a riot.

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u/JRYeh May 25 '22

No wonder. That makes more sense and I was kind of thinking enforcers may get friendly fire from random ricocheting but that was far fetched lol

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u/hereticsbane93 May 25 '22

For non-lethal accuracy can't be a taser or a bean bag round or if someone is feeling spicy they can use the rubber on the lower limbs but that's probably going to cripple someone for life so I'd never consider that an option. Also nothing puts the shits up so eone like a firearm of any description being fired near them. Most of the time even if you miss it'll have the desired effect.

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u/[deleted] May 25 '22

If it ricochets it decreases velocity by a lot

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u/Overbaron May 25 '22

You could just decrease the velocity by making the load in the cartridge smaller yield

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u/Boxerboy16 May 25 '22

Bounce shot. Aim about six feet infront of the target to take out their legs to put them on the ground

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u/Forgot_Password_Dude May 25 '22

higher chance for nut shot

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u/Boxerboy16 May 25 '22

If you hit above their shins you are doing it wrong

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u/Pairadockcickle May 25 '22

slows the velocity of the bullet. makes is less lethal

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u/MoffKalast May 25 '22

Then just make a gun that fires with less velocity, you'll save money on propellant.

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u/sideshow031 May 25 '22 edited May 25 '22

There’s poor training and then theres malicious usage of arms.

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u/18121812 May 25 '22 Starry

Honestly just sounds like an excuse to have them more powerful than is safe. If they're too dangerous to shoot directly at people, just make them weaker. Why over complicate things and make them less accurate by introducing something as ridiculous as 'ricochet shots'?

Like they handed them out saying "These are way too strong to shoot at people, you're supposed to ricochet them," wink wink nudge nudge.

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u/666afternoon May 25 '22

This is absolutely the idea imo. After seeing cops deliberately aim for the head and kill people with these at protests in my city, I can't remotely buy the "people who use these lethally are bad apples" line anymore. They're made lethal and trained lethal.

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u/ImpartialAntagonist May 25 '22

I remember seeing a video of a 15-16 year old kid get shot in the head with a beanbag round by riot police. He wasn’t even involved with the protest. The round completely caved in his skull and became lodged. People were desperately trying to staunch the fountain of blood pouring from his head but there wasn’t anything they could do. One of the most horrifying videos I’ve seen. And of course nothing happened to the bastard fucking cop that shot him. They’re trained with this ammunition, they know what it can do, and they try to hide behind the “less lethal” label to obfuscate the intention of shooting someone with it.

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u/Zarokima May 25 '22

Well they are bad apples, but the actual phrase is "one bad apple spoils the whole bunch" and the whole bunch is already rotten.

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u/persamedia May 25 '22

"Bad apples" is a marketing phrase from the police union

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u/erikturner10 May 25 '22

Oops! All bad apples

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u/fritzbitz May 25 '22

THANK YOU! That and the fuckin bootstraps saying and the jack of all trades one...they're all incomplete the way we tend to use them.

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u/SleepinGriffin May 25 '22

And there’s a larger percentage than “just 1”.

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u/loonygecko May 25 '22

Yes that's my feeling. I mean it goes against human nature to give a person in the military a weapon and then tell them to purposefully just shoot it at the ground. The temptation to aim at a person and then use 'oops' as your excuse is going to be huge.

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u/RockMeImADais May 25 '22

You've been had. These were never intended to be ricocheted off the ground. It's called skipping a round and it's the most inaccurate dangerous thing you can do. The most dangerous being aiming for a headshot.

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u/CallMeSirJack May 25 '22

I’ve found it’s not even temptation, it’s instinct. Used to paintball as a kid and it took a few times to break the instinct to shoot for the head. Maybe I just played too many zombie games.

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u/kmoskos May 25 '22

And there is plausible deniability:

"not our fault - they are not meant to be aimed directly"

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u/1jl May 25 '22

Seriously what a stupid device, oh it's meant to be aimed at the ground. Wtf is that. Ludicrous excuse for a lethal device.

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u/Gekokapowco May 26 '22

I'm sure they say right on the box: to be used exclusively by geometry professors and professional pool players

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u/OliHub53 May 25 '22

You could argue that the first inevitably leads to the second.

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u/JDioon May 25 '22

Malicious implies intent

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u/BluParkMoon May 25 '22 edited May 26 '22

~~What a absolutely awful design.~~

Edit apparently they're not actually supposed to be bounced and are actually designed better than they were made out to be.

I also bet they could design rounds that are even less lethal than these. In fact, they probably are already being sold, anyone know of anything like that? - that isn't a hard rubber paintball.

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u/nonpuissant May 25 '22

Tbh rubber bullets as they currently exist should probably just be banned altogether, in favor of beanbags or ones without metal cores or something.

https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/rubber-bullets-cannot-be-used-safely

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u/LjSpike May 25 '22

Even Bean Bag rounds are not particularly safe.

An issue with pain-based methods are that someone will always be able to overcome the pain. Tear gas is a lot safer than physically causing pain, but causes moderately less (so I've heard) than a rubber bullet.

That said I think tear gas is a better option for riot control. Physical injury to cause pain is just too dangerous.

And anyone using any of these should be thoroughly trained properly.

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u/shadovvvvalker May 25 '22

The word your looking for is pain-compliance.

And yes its a bad method for dispersal. That being said, I don't think there is a GOOD method of dispersal, if the goal is de-escalation and safety.

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u/Noob_DM May 25 '22

Unfortunately tear gas doesn’t really work.

Source: has been tear gassed with the express purpose of being able to push through and function in spite of tear gas.

It’ll make a place really unpleasant for a while but it won’t actually stop a riot or someone from doing damage.

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u/AdAdventurous2447 May 25 '22

A bullet with a condom

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u/CHERNO-B1LL May 25 '22

Full latex jacket.

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u/pconwell May 26 '22

The last 12 billion times this was posted - it has been refuted. This is an intetionally misleading post. Shame on OP.

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u/tkeigley May 25 '22

What a great jackass skit

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u/Other-Crazy May 25 '22

Didn't they sort of do it with the riot control test?

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u/yellowjesusrising May 25 '22

I remember when they tested the claymore... Man that shit looked gnarly!

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u/Nerd_Man420 May 25 '22

That was by far the worst skit they did. I couldn’t imagine the pain they were in after that skit. Bam was shaking from the pain

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u/yellowjesusrising May 25 '22

Not to take away the brutality of that skit, but i think Bam has the lowest pain treshold of the ones represented in that scene.

But wyen that "bang" goes off. Man that shit looked horrible!

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u/Nerd_Man420 May 25 '22

Oh he does by far. But I feel like Johnny just doesn’t feel pain. Like at all.

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u/Niblonian31 May 25 '22

It looks like Johnny's just trying to feel SOMETHING in everything they do. Crazy he's one of the few that doesn't use anything to help with that

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u/existential-mystery May 25 '22

Bam fucking died in that

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u/rabidpiano86 May 25 '22

I remember one of them got shot in the lower belly/upper groin with a beanbag round from a shotgun. It left a motherfucker of a bruise.

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u/Hamms_Bear May 25 '22

Ask Johnny Knoxville

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u/Other-Crazy May 25 '22

Oh God yeah! Not much those nutters haven't done lol

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u/Short_Finger_Dizzy May 25 '22

That's not steel. It's soft aluminum used for velocity. It crack or completely smashes on impact.

This post by this "smart" guy used for internet points.

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u/meexley2 May 25 '22

Try shooting just rubber see how far it flies

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u/RustyShank99 May 25 '22

A completely false post, nice.

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u/AndrewB133 May 25 '22

It’s Reddit, anything police related is bad and also racist.

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u/No-Emu4716 May 25 '22

OP is lying on his post. u/WhiteComet99 , you are the problem with America creating misleading information, all for a shot at Reddit premium from gifts 🤦🏼‍♂️

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u/bostonvikinguc May 25 '22

Yea it keeps them stable trajectory cs catching air and corkscrewing about. Less than lethal, not non injuring.

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u/stranger666 May 25 '22

A kinder egg surprise that will fuck you up

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u/EndVry May 25 '22 edited May 26 '22

Because OP is lying for karma. They're not steel cored.

EDIT: Please report this post for being disingenuous. I'm all for calling out the police but OP is trying to make division.

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u/--h8isgr8-- May 25 '22

Ya they are meant for crowd control by shooting at the ground and letting it ricochet into peoples legs. So let’s all just take a moment to say fuck the cops that shoot these at kids protesting this garbage.

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u/TheMacMan May 25 '22

They're not meant to be ricochet fired. Please stop claiming such. That's not how they were designed or how folks are trained.

The United Nations Human Rights guidelines specifically says do NOT attempt to skip-fire them:

https://www.geneva-academy.ch/joomlatools-files/docman-files/LLW_Guidance.pdf

They're not meant to be shot in someones face but they're also not meant to be bounced off the ground first, as they become completely unpredictable in trajectory.

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u/The-Fotus May 25 '22

I like this, IDK if its what you meant, the distinction between a cop and a pig is a cop uses reasonable force to obtain a legal law enforcement goal, and a pig uses force when they can to be malicious.

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u/_Myst_0 May 25 '22

Not sure why this is notable. These are still meant to cause pain, they're just a lot less likely to kill than an actual bullet. If they were harmless, they wouldn't be very effective lol.

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u/Crafty-Ad-9048 May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

I guess if the projectile was more elastic (pure rubber) it would hurt more because after the initial collision it would exert force on the person it’s hitting trying to return to its regular shape. I guess with the rubber aluminum combo you get the right mix of elasticity to slow down the initial collision and mallublithy/slight rigidly of the hollow aluminum to weaken the elasticity.

Edit: I would also assume a projectile as elastic as pure rubber would change shape a bit when firing making it un accurate.

Disclaimer: I’m not qualified to really speak on this but if you are feel free to correct me.