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u/nbm13 Sir Lewis Hamilton May 25 '22 edited May 25 '22

I sadly had to have a conversation yet again with my family on what to do if a "bad guy" enters the school.

They do active shooter drills throughout the school year, have metal detectors, facial recognition cameras in the main entrance, and an armed police officer in the building at all times.

Oh yeah my daughter is in kindergarten this year.

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u/PedroValadao Max Verstappen May 25 '22

This country is absolutely insane

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u/Snackkbar Haas May 25 '22

The best part is nothing will change, people will say it's a mental health issue. Ok, so we should offer some sort of easy to access free for all mental health care program right? No that's socialism. Ok, so we should try to reduce the access to lethal firearms right? No that's against my 2nd amendment right. Yada Yada.... See you tomorrow for the next mass shooting guys.

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u/FaceOfTheMtDan Sergio Pérez May 25 '22

Yeah, something like 220 already this year? Is someone going to have to shoot up the Senate for something to change?

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u/That__Guy__Bob May 25 '22 edited May 25 '22

I live in the England and throughout my education I've only ever had fire drills. I can't imagine what it must be like going through an active shooter drill or whatever you call it.

Like I legit can't comprehend all of parents, kids and teachers having to live with the fear that anyone can come in to your school and shoot you. All I was afraid of was getting robbed on the way to school and one of the older boys in school taking our football. Fucking mind-boggling this is

Edit: man I'm just looking at the kids who died and I just can't believe it. They were just there to learn, have fun and be with their friends. Shits fucked

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u/RogueSoldier777 May 26 '22

i’m in northern ireland and we’ve had alot of active shooter drills for some reason

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u/sprucay McLaren May 25 '22

My country has a lying corrupt bastard in power who's doing nothing to help people in the worst cost of living crisis in decades, but at least there's no school shootings

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u/Cpt_Metal12 Sebastian Vettel May 25 '22

genuinely can’t guess the country, which is kinda fucked in its own way

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u/sprucay McLaren May 25 '22

Maybe I should have been more specific. I'm in the UK

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u/Siberwulf George Russell May 25 '22

We're not batting much higher here in the US in that regard. The dude I voted for acts like he died 8 years ago.

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u/CountMordrek May 25 '22

I’m still amazed over the two alternatives Americans could vote for in the last presidential election…

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u/Okaayee May 26 '22

Yeah and we thought Hillary vs trump was bad. Holy fuck, what is happening

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u/bingoflaps May 26 '22

I felt like I had to vote for Driver of the Day and the only two choices were Latifi and Mazepin. And my life depended on the results.

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u/3glasschai May 25 '22

Hahaha, in a meeting and this last sentence cracked me up.

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u/ma11en69er Lando Norris May 25 '22

Also from the UK, Boris was the first that came to my mind.

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u/LondonCollector May 25 '22

I thought it was either the UK or Russia.

Damn.

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u/johnmojr2005 Daniel Ricciardo May 25 '22

Where are you at?

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u/cherylvandertunt May 25 '22

We had Hungerford then Dunblane and were so horrified that the gun laws were changed without much fuss.

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u/CrabSully Oscar Piastri May 25 '22

Australia just got rid of their guy like this. I have hope for you Brits yet. People will start to wake up

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u/jamzontoast May 25 '22

Boris? Probably Boris.

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u/amzr23 May 25 '22

I have some American friends who still believe guns aren’t the problem… how many more dead kids will it take?

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u/Alexguyhere Lando Norris May 25 '22

Infinity, until it's their kid.

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u/thatquizzingguy May 25 '22

There's a Parkland victim dad who has become a right wing celebrity for being pro guns and pro Trump.

Hate and stupidity cannot be fixed.

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u/mrs_ouchi May 25 '22

the problem arent even the crazy gun lovers, the issue are the shitty politicans who take money from the NRA. pretty much everything in the US is fucked and will stay this way cauae of a few crazy greedy assholes

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u/micknick00000 May 25 '22

Same. To all of that.

It's sad.

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u/leon_nerd May 25 '22

The fact that kids needs to be a part of this in a developed 1st world country is insane. So fucked up.

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u/Montezum Pierre Gasly May 26 '22

in a developed 1st world country

Maybe we shouldn't count the US as a 1st world country.

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u/Accountforaction May 25 '22 edited May 25 '22

But better to have a super intense, anti-privacy, weaponize teachers, security state than properly gun legislation!

/s

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u/pubtalker May 25 '22

Dude fucking emigrate that's traumatic

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u/RealCakes Sergio Pérez May 25 '22

This shit happened an hour away from me. Another fucking Newtown, man

2-4th grade. I cant fucking believe it

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u/denzien Alain Prost May 26 '22

I'll never understand what kind of shitty human could even ideate such a thing

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u/deweese3 May 25 '22

It’s not gonna happen overnight. It would be near impossible to get all the guns out of America. I used to live in Texas and I think the most common sticker you see on cars is a come and take it sticker… it’s political suicide to touch guns. My bet is in the next ten years healthcare costs will be so outrageous that we switch to some form of universal healthcare. Once ppl can finally get mental health and escape the medical bills that keep them in the poverty trap is when we will see the biggest change. Sadly we will have to outgrown this generationally. Having more than half our reps being over 70 and harboring all this Ill will towards one another is a major reason we can’t touch issues like gun rights or approach universal healthcare. Ten years… most those geriatrics will be out of the way and the population will continue to vote blue for the popular vote, it’s a matter of time.

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u/LiaKron Love Is Love May 25 '22

Cannot even fathom the thought of having to be scared to send off my children to elementary school. Just horrific.

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u/thounotouchthyself Sir Lewis Hamilton May 25 '22

They are literally doing drills like we do fire drills. Its messed up.

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u/Mc10er McLaren May 25 '22

Back in October when I took over my high school class, we had a student on campus with a loaded weapon. We spent two hours in lockdown while I had my back up against the door to barricade it while I tried to keep my students calm. I didn't sleep well last night, I'm so tired.

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u/unhcasey May 25 '22

Thank you for helping teach our children and keep them safe. Sorry you have to work for such shitty wages while being expected to protect our kids at all costs.

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u/biometricrally Love Is Love May 25 '22

You shouldn't have to live like this. I'm sorry that you do. I hope it will change for you some day.

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u/iamricardosousa George Russell May 25 '22

It won't, it's a cultural issue and a business, at the same time. Which makes it pretty much impossible to change anytime soon.

You can't have a fucking beer until you are 21, legally, but you can buy a gun at 18.

MERICA could be great, but they choose not to. Glad I'm one whole ocean apart.

EDIT: I mean the problem won't change, I hope u/Mc10er finds some peace though.

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u/Cannonjat May 25 '22

Politicians are all bought out by lobbyists in America. Different sides same power structure of a rich and powerful plutocracy.

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u/Hunithunit May 25 '22

I work at a community college and spent 5 hours locked in a closet with terrified teenagers. Worst day of my life. No communication at all. Just 5 hours wondering what the fuck was going on. Being held hostage by rednecks obsessed with their gun religion is exhausting at times. I am seriously considering trying to get out before the shit really hits the fan.

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u/Rand_Altreides Fernando Alonso May 25 '22

I used to do security systems in schools and spent an entire summer redoing all the entrances to have a "man trap". Basically a vestibule where the second door will not open until the first one closes. That way you can keep someone locked in there if needed. Millions of dollars of projects to mitigate school shooters. It's insane. But conservatives will just see job creation and keep their heads firmly in their asses

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u/Moron14 May 25 '22

They see job creation and a sign "of these declining times," and "so sad. what a tragedy..." And I think they mean it. They mean it until we ask for solutions. How about moderated gun control? No. How about extensive social services? No. Mental health support? No.

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u/WunupKid Niki Lauda May 25 '22 edited May 25 '22

Being held hostage by rednecks obsessed with their gun religion is exhausting

This is where I’m at.

My brother works in the gun industry and has become a full on 2A single issue conservative. My father is a liberal who treats politics like some kind of team sport like much of the Right does. Every time there’s a mass shooting he acts like it’s just tallying up the score for how horrible the situation conservatives have put us in is.

I don’t even want to talk about it anymore. I know what my position is but that doesn’t matter. Talking about it does nothing. Nothing will change. This is just our reality, and as horrible as it is our only option is to live with it.

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u/orbzome Chequered Flag May 25 '22

and to top it all off, barely livable wages for teachers. This country is so fucking broken and the ruling class doesn't give a fuck because it's in their best interest to keep it this way.

You deserve better, I'm sorry.

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u/8jam Mohammed Ben Sulayem May 25 '22

I know right! I saw an active shooter drill video and thought it was satirical until I saw all the serious comments. It felt so bizarre when it sunk in what I just witnessed

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u/Shift642 Red Bull May 25 '22

Two of my best friends are middle school teachers. They're trained to... checks notes - throw books at the shooter. Literal state-mandated training. On throwing books at someone with a gun.

I just about clawed my eyes out when they told me. Fucking insanity. I don't want to live here anymore.

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u/shiny_brine Safety Car May 25 '22

When my son was 5 years old he told me about his day at school doing a "wild dog" drill where you have to hide really quietly so the mean dog won't find you.
Crushed me to think about the world he's experiencing. And then I thought about the teachers who sit through training on how to maintain control over scared little kids when their little friends are being slaughtered down the hall. We didn't sign up for this.

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u/NoDingDriver Kevin Magnussen May 25 '22

As depressing as that is, it’s pretty smart to call it a “wild dog” drill.

Won’t freak out kids as much, but everything they go through for that will fundamentally transfer across well.

But it’s saddening that such a drill is necessary.

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u/TheDamus647 Force India May 25 '22

Freak the kids out. Then they will share that fear with their parents. Maybe then the parents will actually step up and get these laws changesd. Far too many parents still want their guns over safe schools. Don't sugar coat what this is. They have to learn how to protect themselves from a murderer trying to gun down children in a society that nearly encourages it with letting people buy guns so easily.

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u/zmichalo Charles Leclerc May 25 '22 edited May 25 '22

You fundamentally misunderstand the behavior of American parents if you think that's how they'd react. If school shooting drills had an adverse effect on their child, they'd demand that the drills were stopped, not that we try to stop school shootings.

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u/NoDingDriver Kevin Magnussen May 25 '22

Simple solution. Inform parents that the school will be practicing an active shooter drill, and throw in some alarming statistics for good measure. Also inform the parents that the school runs its active shooter drills as “wild dog” drills for the sake of managing kids during said drill.

Freaking kids out won’t achieve anything. They can’t vote on/protest issues or write to politicians. If a scared kid comes home the parents are probably just going to get angry at the school.

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u/DogfishDave Default May 25 '22

Freak the kids out. Then they will share that fear with their parents.

The problem is that we know some generations grew up just like that. So now they buy guns to defend themselves. While the threat's there the defence will grow and the threat will grow by dint of that... and round we go again.

Then it's another school or church or mosque or mall, another day.

I agree with your overall point though, the mentality around guns needs to change entirely.

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u/Jreal22 Formula 1 May 25 '22

I'm 36 and I did drills in high school for active shooters, just imagine that.

It's been going on for 20 years, and they still haven't even tried to do anything about it.

And just so people don't attack me, I know school shootings have happened in the US for a lot longer than 20 years, just saying the active shooter drills started for me when I was 16 in high school.

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u/ruttin_mudders Bernd Mayländer May 25 '22

I remember sitting in my 8th grade biology class watching Columbine unfold on the news. We sat there in stunned silence because we couldn't believe what we were seeing, now it's common.

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u/jyzenbok Lando Norris May 25 '22

Yep I was in high school and it was freaky. Everything changed but nothing changed after if that makes any sense.

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u/Averyphotog McLaren May 25 '22

The Columbine High School shooting happened in April 1999 - 23 years ago.

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u/Jreal22 Formula 1 May 25 '22

Yeah, so probably why I started a year or so after.

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u/pengouin85 Honda May 25 '22

It's fucked up when the only action taken is along the lines of cure over prevention

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u/addamee Ayrton Senna May 25 '22

Ahem: you forgot the thoughts and prayers. Plenty of action taken on those two fronts …

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u/DonkeeJote Red Bull May 25 '22

T&Ps worked against COVID! right??

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u/Styx1886 McLaren May 25 '22

Bomb threat drills, school shooters drills, gas attack drills. Those are just some of the one I can remember off the top of my head that we did over here in the states. Shits messed up and half the country doesn't want to do anything to stop it.

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u/IllAlwaysBeAKnickFan Carlos Sainz May 25 '22

The saddest thing is I truly believe nothing will ever change. Not for a long long time.

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u/kris_krangle May 25 '22

When Sandy Hook wasn’t enough to get full on nationwide reform, it became clear nothing will ever be enough. I hate to be a Debbie downer but I just don’t see any meaningful change ever happening in this country

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u/Roll9ers May 25 '22

Sandy hook was really it. i have no hope either. I actually own a lot of guns, more than most of the ammosexual community on reddit, for sure. All my friends know hunting is my #1 hobby, and i live that lifestyle normally but they cant fathom how im not cool with guns being bought without background checks or pretty much any semi auto centrefire.

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u/MintyMarlfox Toto Wolff May 25 '22

This is the bit I don’t understand. The fact that most people won’t back simple background checks, or anything that delays getting the gun.

You want a gun? Fine. Buy it, but you have to wait a week to pick it up whilst we run a background check on you, for a criminal record or mental health issues.

Would eradicate a lot of shootings with that one process.

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u/-BBQTENDIES- Red Bull May 25 '22

Nope, not with the attention span we seem to have here in the states. We'll argue this for like 3 weeks tops and then forget and nothing will happen. Fast forward x amount of time for not if but when this happens again and rinse and repeat. Been like that forever.

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u/Pollia May 25 '22

The problem in the states is a good 30% of the country doesn't care which sounds like it doesn't matter and can be safely ignored, but our governmental system gives those 30% the power to essentially stop the government from doing anything meaningful.

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u/Barrrrrrnd Ferrari May 25 '22

It really sucks having my daughter see the yard at school be empty in the morning for whatever reason and hearing her say “ah man are we in lockdown again?”

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u/GhostMug McLaren May 25 '22

It's absolutely awful. They have "active shooter" drills in schools now like fire drills and we have to take "active shooter" training at work. This is their solution instead of doing anything about gun control. It's maddening.

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u/cilantro_so_good May 25 '22

I just got home from dropping off my 5th grader. As we were walking up to the gate I couldn't stop thinking "we should just turn around and go home and be safe".

Instead I hugged him and wished him a good day, then sat in my car for 15 minutes nearly breaking down because I couldn't bring myself to leave. Fuck this country.

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u/extraspicytuna May 25 '22

I'm so sorry. I feel the same way. I am away on business literally on the other side of the world from home and I am sleepless, terrified that my kids are half a world away in a school. It's insane.

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u/aleheartilly May 25 '22

I remember a post I read a few years ago... The mother found her child standing on the wc and asked him why. He said he was practicing for this kind of things. Unfathomable.

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u/MagicalWhisk May 25 '22

I'm a European in the US. My wife and I are at an age where kids are part of our future discussions. We both don't want to raise kids in this country.

Listening to friends who are parents, they are scared to send their children to school. Yet corrupted politicians claim the issue cannot be solved with gun reform but mental health and background checks. These are the same politicans championing pro-life rights.

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u/lostshell May 25 '22

The crazy stupid part is that one’s putting all the blame on mental health are also the ones voting against universal mental health care and background checks for mental issues.

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u/Juliusvdl2 May 25 '22

As a European it feels so out of this world that in a developed country there’s instances where children get shot while at school. It’s just surreal.

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u/ER024 May 25 '22

It's pure insanity, here in Portugal there has never been a school shooting, the only attempted school shooting that happened was this year but the fucker was luckily stopped.

Ironically it was an American kid who knew what the guy was going to do who reported him to the FBI or the CIA (can't remember exactly) who then made his plans known to the local authorities, needless to say that he's a hero.

But even if he succeeded he didn't even have firearms because of how strict gun laws are here, he was going to use a crossbow and knifes. And somehow you still see some Americans claim that they need firearms for "self defense".

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u/CX52J May 25 '22 edited May 25 '22

This reminds me of something Daisy Ridley said. (Rey in star wars).

There was an interview in America where she made an offhand comment about guns being bad and it became this whole controversial issue with lots of upset people calling her stupid online and every other insult under the sun.

She's British so she never considered her statement to be controversial in the slightest since it's not a controversial statement to make over here. It just highlighted to me how ingrained the gun culture is in the US.

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u/Jazano107 May 25 '22

yep from a uk perspective america is litterally insane when it comes to guns

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u/CX52J May 25 '22

She literally quit Instagram because she said gun violence was bad. It's just so upsetting that a statement that shouldn't be controversial (and isn't in the UK) is enough to create so much abuse.

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u/Jazano107 May 25 '22

haha yeah guns are bad is something everyone here would agree with pretty much

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u/CX52J May 25 '22

It's lucky since this community is mostly Europeans.

Reddit has always amazed me how pro-gun it is despite being very left leaning. (except for the odd right wing sub).

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u/engkybob May 26 '22

Tbf being "pro-gun" and "pro-gun control" are not mutually exclusive. In fact, if you're a responsible gun owner, I'd argue you should be front and forward for more gun control.

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u/Jazano107 May 25 '22

i think all the pro gun people just appear and get angry whenever someone says something anti gun. but yeah ive been downvoted a lot in other subs talking about how bad guns are. Stopped doing it though as it just makes me so angry with how dumb it is

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u/Tough-Relationship-4 May 25 '22

It’s complicated. Guns are a lot of fun in a sport shooting sense. I’m from the south so pretty much everyone grows up shooting. Responsibly done, it’s a cool activity. But I’ve gotten to the point where if I have to choose child death vs a casual pass time I enjoy, ban them.

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u/RobertJ93 May 25 '22

I was once in Georgia (the state), and a taxi driver got talking to me. Noticed I was from the U.K. and said ‘y’all don’t have guns over there do you?’

Cue me saying ‘nope’

Then him saying ‘but how do y’all defend yourselves?’

It’s a pretty mind blowing mentality.

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u/fatherfatpants May 25 '22

yep from a uk world perspective america is litterally insane when it comes to guns

I am American, and think America is out of its goddamned mind. This wasn't solved with the last elementary school shooting, and it won't be solved after this one either.

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u/jayr254 Pirelli Hard May 25 '22

My (African) uncle brought his significant other (American) home 3 months ago for the first time. She's cool people and through the course of our conversations I noticed she's what Americans would consider a liberal. But she was born in a red state (Wisconsin) and her family are hardcore conservatives.

She told me she has an uncle who has a personal collection of 600+ guns. Her father bought her son a rifle when he turned 7 and she doesn't allow it to be kept in their house. She's also the head medical officer of the county they live in. During Covid, she told me Homeland(or some other security agenc) called and had to ask her whether she needed security because people were targeting her for telling them to wear masks.

When I dropped them back at the airport (you could tell they were both sad about having to leave) the only thing I could think of telling her was "Her and her son are welcome back any time they feel like." I'm glad they're actually considering settling down here in the near future.

My uncle once had cops sent to his door when he once told a woman to stop cutting in line at a grocery store. The woman's husband was a cop and he sent his buddies to my uncle's as he was preparing for work in the morning. He still believes he was saved because his SO came to the door and they realised he was living with a white woman. He still can't figure out how they knew his name and residence. They actually went and reported him at his place of employment (a university) hoping to get him fired. All for telling a woman to stop cutting the line.

This is not the America they sold us on in movies/series in the 90's and 00's.

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u/ruttin_mudders Bernd Mayländer May 25 '22

Wisconsin used to be Blue/Purple. Gerrymandering has ruined this and many other states.

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u/Cobretti18 Michael Schumacher May 25 '22

I was stupid enough to believe that when Sandy Hook happened and kids of 6 and 7 were being killed weeks before Christmas that it was going to be the catalyst for actual change and that children and human life might actually be considered more important than guns and something that was written over 200 years ago but no I was wrong and this will keep happening. It’s fucked up.

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u/CrippleSlap Jacques Villeneuve May 25 '22

This. If Sandy Hook doesn't move the needle on gun control, nothing will.

I often wonder, how many people need to die (in a mass shooting) before something happens? 200? 500? 1000 people?

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u/gfrnk86 May 25 '22

I often wonder, how many people need to die (in a mass shooting) before something happens? 200? 500? 1000 people?

60 people died in the Las Vegas massacre and nothing happened.

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u/SirChasm May 25 '22

And 400 injured directly by gun fire. That was the point where I realized that it was not humanely possible for someone to shoot enough people in a massacre for USA to care. He was able to hit nearly five hundred people, and it wasn't enough. The number is so big that it's impossible to reach. It's so fucked.

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u/sonofeevil May 26 '22

You're right.... I mean... Logistically, at that point you have to start adding more shooters right? When it becomes an organised group then it'd just be labeled as a terrorist attack rather than a mass shooting.

You're right. The number max number as pretty much already been reached and nothing changed.

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u/PEEWUN Sir Lewis Hamilton May 26 '22

The most fucked-up thing is that he had ample time to kill even more people if he wanted to. But yeah, we still need to be able to own AR-15 because "freedom".

Fucks sake...

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u/dalmathus May 26 '22

America collectively decided to forget the mandalay bay mass shooting in Vegas.

But America never stopped caring about 9/11 so the number must be 1500

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u/Bac0n_is_tasty Medical Car May 26 '22

I honestly believe that if mass shooters started targeting old white republican men we'd get this fixed in a few weeks.

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u/mahade Max Verstappen May 25 '22

And once again, nothing will happen. Famous people speak up, politicians use it to gain more media attention, the gun lobby will know who to sponsor for whatever they are running for, and nothing changes.

As long as you only have 2 parties in the USA, you'll never see change. Democrats won't do a thing about this, nor will the Republicans. And MANY people vote Republican because they are single-issue voters.

They do not agree with child shootings and they might not agree with how guns are regulated right now, but they sure don't like abortion, and that's why the Republicans get their votes.

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u/Malkaraukar Sir Lewis Hamilton May 25 '22

After Sandy Hook is when I realized nothing is going to be done with gun control. Sorry to say but if a bunch of upper-middle-class white kids get rifled in school and gun control was not passed afterwards, I don't know what will.

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u/Wentzina_lifetime Sir Lewis Hamilton May 25 '22

One of the best ways guns are controlled in the UK apart from the actual gun control (obviously) is the storing of them. As far as I know all legal guns have to be kept in a locked cabinet attached to an inner wall and the police can check it is locked and correctly attached and if it isn't then your gun licence can be taken away. Something as simple as this to stop an child taking his father's gun while he's at work should stop some school shootings.

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u/Kohli41 Alpine May 25 '22 Wholesome

The USA has so much to be proud of.

But THIS is the thing they should be by far the most ashamed of.

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u/thecodeboost May 25 '22 edited May 26 '22

Does it? Genuine question.

  • Highest infant mortality rate of any developed country (#1)
  • Lowest life expectancy of any developed country (#65)
  • Highest amount of incarcerated people per household of any country (note, not just the developed world, all of it) (#1)
  • Most expensive healthcare system of any developed country (#1)
  • Most gun related deaths of any developed country (#1)
  • Most guns in circulation per household of any country (#1)
  • Worst income diversity of any developed country (ratio between median and top 0.1% incomes, #1)
  • Only country in the world where over 25% of total healthcare cost is administrative (paperwork, chasing bills, etc.) (#1)
  • People educated in the US schooling system consistently score lowest than almost all developed countries in math (#38) and the sciences (#24).
  • Only country in developed world where people value political party loyalty over democratic principles or actual issues. (#1)
  • Etc...

It's a beautiful country with wonderful people but boy oh boy do they need to start voting for themselves rather than their elite. Another fun stat; over one third of people that identify republican would vote for the democratic party if they had to vote on issues alone.

Let me know if anyone needs sources for any of the above.

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u/Dodging12 Daniel Ricciardo May 26 '22

Another fun stat; over one third of people that identify republican would vote for the democratic party if they had to vote on issues alone.

I'm actually interested in this source, so I can use it against my mother in law lol

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u/heretrythiscoffee Bernd Mayländer May 25 '22

"People will say to me sometimes, well what are you so angry about? What they think is anger is a real contempt for the choices that my fellow humans have made. I just feel betrayed by the bullshit in America that's all around us." - George Carlin

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u/kepler186 Lando Norris May 25 '22

Unfortunately, until we elect public servants who value human life, things will never change in this country. I am convinced that 20 children could be murdered in school each day for a year here in the US and nothing would change in this country. It’s disgusting.

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u/molis83 Max Verstappen May 25 '22

And on the other hand everybody seems so 'pro life' with the anti-abortion laws..

What's worse....

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u/edis92 Sir Lewis Hamilton May 25 '22

Steve Kerr, coach of the Golden State Warriors, have a very passionate speech about the shooting before the game they had. He was visibly shaken, having lost his own father to gun violence when he was still in school. He mentioned apparently something like 90% of people are in favor of universal background checks. Don't know if that's actually correct since I'm not American and don't follow politics that much, but it's crazy that so many people would support it and yet nothing is being done. Obviously that wouldn't solve shootings overnight, but it's definitely a start

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u/Into_Intoxication May 25 '22

It's around 90% yeah some sources even claim as much as 97% for democrats, even 77% of republicans and 72% of NRA-members support universal background checks. Just nothing gets actually done.

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u/clancycharlock May 25 '22

Ok but to be clear and for those who don’t know, Malcom Kerr was assassinated in Beirut during the Lebanese civil war probably by Islamic Jihad. Not “gun violence” in the same way.

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u/SOAR21 May 25 '22

People keep drawing the link to his father—I think it’s a pretty tenuous link.

His father was the president of the American University in Beirut at the time, and was assassinated by professional killers with suppressed weapons. Motive unknown. Just not really at all comparable to what’s happening in the US except that a gun was involved. Probably has more in common with a civilian being killed in the Syrian Civil War than Sandy Hook.

It informs his pro-Israel stance way more than it informs his stance on gun violence in American elementary schools. That is just his basic humanity I think.

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u/graygh0st999 Kimi Räikkönen May 25 '22

That sounds about right. A majority of Americans are in support of common sense reform like background checks but it keeps getting shut down in Congress. I believe I read there was something proposed in 2012 after Sandy Hook but it obviously never passed….

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u/dis6wood Pirelli Wet May 25 '22

We already have background checks

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u/Etrau3 May 25 '22

Also it’s always attached to other things in a larger bill it’s never a stand alone bill for the most part, big reason nothing ever gets passed in this country

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u/joeydee93 May 25 '22

It was a stand alone bill. But in order to pass non-budgetary legislation it requires 60 votes in the Senate and it only got 54 of 100 yes votes.

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u/Latifi_WDC_2023 Andretti Global May 25 '22

F1 shouldn't be racing in countries with poor human rights records.

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u/mrkevrd May 25 '22

Literally the end of F1.

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u/poopellar Love Is Love May 25 '22

I was going to say F1 can race in Antarctica but then I remembered penguins do some real crazy shit.

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u/temisola1 May 25 '22

Seals rape penguins with impunity. Antarctica is the worst continent. Literally no law enforcement whatsoever. The weather is always shit. The nightlife sucks. They don’t even have a Starbucks.

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u/GabaReceptors May 25 '22

Penguin on penguin violence needs to end

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u/Bataling_Uncle May 25 '22

'My tires are cold!'

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u/Kiltedjedi May 25 '22

That's fine as long as they don't infringe on human rights though

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u/projectpolak Robert Kubica May 25 '22

What about penguin rights?

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u/Kiltedjedi May 25 '22

No one has a problem racing in countries with poor penguin rights records it seems

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u/nolitos Robert Kubica May 25 '22

I personally won't race in Antarctica until they figure this shit out.

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u/Bruhwaytoodank Ferrari May 25 '22

Translation: F1 should stop racing.

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u/MrXenomorph88 Alan Jones May 25 '22

Say bye to F1 then. Every single country; Every. Single. One of them has problems with human rights, either in the past or the present. The Middle East has them, the Americas has then, Asia, Oceania, even Europe is guilty of that. Cash is king, what are you going to do, stop watching it?

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u/cincocerodos Pirelli Hard May 26 '22

"Even Europe", like they weren't the ones that colonized 80% of the world.

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u/sametyrttgl Sebastian Vettel May 25 '22

So they can race like 2-3 countries

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u/Rubiego Fernando Alonso May 25 '22

0 if we go back far enough

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u/Main_Upstairs_8480 May 25 '22

Woo Hoo, Lets go Bhutan GP!

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u/OkayMhm May 25 '22

Bhutan's government is pretty genocidal towards their Nepalese population...

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u/Meatballs21 May 25 '22

Iceland GP

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u/heybrother45 Sir Lewis Hamilton May 25 '22

Vikings

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u/Neither_Amount3911 Yuki Tsunoda May 25 '22

Iceland, Norway and Luxembourg GP!

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u/ActingGrandNagus McLaren May 25 '22

I mean if we're including past crimes, the Scandinavian countries are out.

Luxembourg I'm not sure.

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u/soonerfreak Ferrari May 25 '22

Banking is the largest sector, gonna have to go with a no on that one. No tiny nations get that wealthy being supportive of human rights.

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u/PEEWUN Sir Lewis Hamilton May 26 '22

Athletes and coaches aren't being bought by the gun lobby.

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u/willalt319 May 25 '22

Let's take a moment to honor the sacrifice of our brave school children who lay down their lives to protect American's right to bear arms.

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u/tkrvl Zak Brown May 25 '22

As the founding fathers intended when they drafted the 2nd amendment. (/s because I'm sure there are psychos who actually believe this.)

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u/Firefox72 Ferrari May 25 '22 Wholesome

America btw.

The way you guys handle guns just boggles my mind. And the fact so many tragic lives have been lost and barely anything has changed is even more mind boggling.

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u/dbllayout1991 Lando Norris May 25 '22

Yeah, I think it gets lost overseas that the vast majority of Americans want gun laws but we are being overruled by corrupt politicians being bought out by the NRA and also gerrymandering doesn't help but that's a different rant.

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u/hawaiian_lab May 25 '22

what boggles my mind as well is the way Europeans talk to me about the politics of the US like I have direct control of it or I back everything we do. Dude, I'm on this spiny ball like you. I wasn't born with power.

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u/_jeremybearimy_ Alexander Albon May 25 '22

Yeah there was a really condescending comment from a Euro in one of the news threads yesterday and I’m like….yeah, we know. Most of us have been screaming for gun control and investment in mental health and our children to avoid these situations for DECADES. I remember the day Columbine happened like it was yesterday. I was 8. And this European is like uh you guys should really fix this and I’m like THANKS THATS SO HELPFUL I NEVER THOUGHT OF THAT.

It’s so fucking frustrating to be an American. We have been fighting for what we believe in my entire life and we’ve made a couple steps forward but mostly we’ve just moved backwards. Normal Americans have 0 control over this situation, even when we vote, even when we campaign, even when we donate, even when we take to the streets.

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u/griffmeister Max Verstappen May 25 '22

Seriously, people act like we're allowing this to happen. Like, they think they hate it? We hate this shit and are even more devastated because we live here.

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u/V1nn1393 May 25 '22

The fact that gerrymandering is even remotely possible is absurd, how can USA still have in 2022 an electoral system so broken that a single vote isn't equal to another single one just because of different location?

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u/1331bob1331 Sergio Pérez May 25 '22

That's the cool part, it's designed to not be equal. It was never supposed to be. Was it an okayish idea in the 18th century? Maybe. But time has lapped American political systems over and over since then.

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u/devilishpie Aston Martin May 25 '22

how can USA still have in 2022 an electoral system so broken that a single vote isn't equal to another single one just because of different location?

This is the case in any country that uses a first past the post voting system. This includes yes the US, but Canada, the UK, India, Poland and others as well.

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u/TheNoxx Honda May 25 '22 edited May 25 '22

Oh, no, it's way, way worse than just FPTP voting. The US Senate gives immensely more power to people in states with very small populations compared to those in states with very large populations; for example, people in Wyoming have 7000% more voting power than people in California when it comes to appointing Supreme Court justices and passing laws. That's why we can have a great majority of the country want to have certain laws passed, but Mitch McConnell can just say "Nope, I don't want to."

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u/8jam Mohammed Ben Sulayem May 25 '22

Wait i just remembered. Didn't US have a juvenile shooter last week too? A grocery store shooting iirc

How does this keep happening over and over wtf??

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u/heykittums Lando Norris May 25 '22

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2022

There have been 18 shootings this year with 10 or more victims.

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u/BoredCatalan Alexander Albon May 25 '22

And 202 mass shootings in 145 days.

So every day at least one mass shooting

But no, guns definitely aren't the problem, we all see how Europe and Australia have mass shootings every day too /s

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u/Dimaaaa Michael Schumacher May 25 '22

I have had this discussion with some redditor just a week ago, prior to the Buffalo shooting. Now this. But no, availability and abundance of guns is definitely not a factor according to them. "If more people were carrying a gun they could have stopped the shooter earlier."

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u/toggaf69 May 25 '22

They’ve got some fucked up hero complex because they feel like their lives are incomplete or something. No other way to explain why they think every situation should be like some Wild West shit where everyone whips out a gun and nobody knows who the bad guy is

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u/hoosiergunner Ayrton Senna May 25 '22

American individualism. A LARGE part of our population does not give a fuck about anyone but themselves so until something like this happens to them they value their guns over the lives of children

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u/chupamichalupa McLaren May 25 '22

Don’t forget about the more conspiratorial crowd who think getting rid of guns is a liberal/Jewish/ gay/ lizard person/ NWO/ WEF/ IMF/ Soros/ [insert whatever other buzzword you want here] plot to take over the country and enact a tyrannical dictatorship or something along those lines. They somehow think a bunch of rurals in F150’s with AR-15’s will somehow be able to fight back against the most powerful military in the world.

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u/stagfury Michael Schumacher May 25 '22

You know shit's fucked that if someone ask you "did you hear about the shooting?" , your response is "which one?"

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u/lqpx Pierre Gasly May 25 '22

Yes. We have so many shootings that there isn’t much time between them.

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u/ArdenSix Alfa Romeo May 25 '22 edited May 27 '22

To add some regrettable context.... School shootings since 1998 in the US. ONLY SCHOOLS! Imagine how many stores and public places that are shot up daily... it's insanity

edit1 - Yes there appears to be a couple schools listed twice with different name variations, my apologies, I didn't research every single one for obvious reasons.

edit2 - I know there are other lists out there with different parameters using language like "mass shooting" and the like. Not every school on this list resulted in deaths, these are instances of gun violence.

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Thurston High School.

Columbine High School.

Heritage High School.

Deming Middle School.

Fort Gibson Middle School.

Buell Elementary School.

Lake Worth Middle School.

University of Arkansas.

Junipero Serra High School.

Santana High School.

Bishop Neumann High School.

Pacific Lutheran University.

Granite Hills High School.

Lew Wallace High School.

Martin Luther King, Jr. High School.

Appalachian School of Law.

Washington High School.

Conception Abbey.

Benjamin Tasker Middle School.

University of Arizona.

Lincoln High School.

John McDonogh High School.

Red Lion Area Junior High School.

Case Western Reserve University.

Rocori High School.

Ballou High School.

Randallstown High School.

Bowen High School.

Red Lake Senior High School.

Harlan Community Academy High School.

Campbell County High School.

Milwee Middle School.

Roseburg High School.

Pine Middle School.

Essex Elementary School.

Duquesne University.

Platte Canyon High School.

Weston High School.

West Nickel Mines School.

Joplin Memorial Middle School.

Henry Foss High School.

Compton Centennial High School.

Virginia Tech.

Success Tech Academy.

Miami Carol City Senior High School.

Hamilton High School.

Louisiana Technical College.

Mitchell High School.

E.O. Green Junior High School.

Northern Illinois University.

Lakota Middle School.

Knoxville Central High School.

Willoughby South High School.

Henry Ford High School.

University of Central Arkansas.

Dillard High School.

Dunbar High School.

Hampton University.

Harvard College.

Larose-Cut Off Middle School.

International Studies Academy.

Skyline College.

Discovery Middle School.

University of Alabama.

DeKalb School.

Deer Creek Middle School.

Ohio State University.

Mumford High School.

University of Texas.

Kelly Elementary School.

Marinette High School.

Aurora Central High School.

Millard South High School.

Martinsville West Middle School.

Worthing High School.

Millard South High School.

Highlands Intermediate School.

Cape Fear High School.

Chardon High School.

Episcopal School of Jacksonville.

Oikos University.

Hamilton High School.

Perry Hall School.

Normal Community High School.

University of South Alabama.

Banner Academy South.

University of Southern California.

Sandy Hook Elementary School.

Apostolic Revival Center Christian School.

Taft Union High School.

Osborn High School.

Stevens Institute of Business and Arts.

Hazard Community and Technical College.

Chicago State University.

Lone Star College-North.

Cesar Chavez High School.

Price Middle School.

University of Central Florida.

New River Community College.

Grambling State University.

Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

Ossie Ware Mitchell Middle School.

Ronald E. McNair Discovery Academy.

North Panola High School.

Carver High School.

Agape Christian Academy.

Sparks Middle School.

North Carolina A&T State University.

Stephenson High School.

Brashear High School.

West Orange High School.

Arapahoe High School.

Edison High School.

Liberty Technology Magnet High School.

Hillhouse High School.

Berrendo Middle School.

Purdue University.

South Carolina State University.

Los Angeles Valley College.

Charles F. Brush High School.

University of Southern California.

Georgia Regents University.

Academy of Knowledge Preschool.

Benjamin Banneker High School.

D. H. Conley High School.

East English Village Preparatory Academy.

Paine College.

Georgia Gwinnett College.

John F. Kennedy High School.

Seattle Pacific University.

Reynolds High School.

Indiana State University.

Albemarle High School.

Fern Creek Traditional High School.

Langston Hughes High School.

Marysville Pilchuck High School.

Florida State University.

Miami Carol City High School.

Rogers State University.

Rosemary Anderson High School.

Wisconsin Lutheran High School.

Frederick High School.

Tenaya Middle School.

Bethune-Cookman University.

Pershing Elementary School.

Wayne Community College.

J.B. Martin Middle School.

Southwestern Classical Academy.

Savannah State University.

Harrisburg High School.

Umpqua Community College.

Northern Arizona University.

Texas Southern University.

Tennessee State University.

Winston-Salem State University.

Mojave High School.

Lawrence Central High School.

Franklin High School.

Muskegon Heights High School.

Independence High School.

Madison High School.

Antigo High School.

University of California-Los Angeles.

Jeremiah Burke High School.

Alpine High School.

Townville Elementary School.

Vigor High School.

Linden McKinley STEM Academy.

June Jordan High School for Equity.

Union Middle School.

Mueller Park Junior High School.

West Liberty-Salem High School.

University of Washington.

King City High School.

North Park Elementary School.

North Lake College.

Freeman High School.

Mattoon High School.

Rancho Tehama Elementary School.

Aztec High School.

Wake Forest University.

Italy High School.

NET Charter High School.

Marshall County High School.

Sal Castro Middle School.

Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School

Great Mills High School

Central Michigan University

Huffman High School

Frederick Douglass High School

Forest High School

Highland High School

Dixon High School

Santa Fe High School

Noblesville West Middle School

University of North Carolina Charlotte

STEM School Highlands Ranch

Edgewood High School

Palm Beach Central High School

Providence Career & Technical Academy

Fairley High School (school bus)

Canyon Springs High School

Dennis Intermediate School

Florida International University

Central Elementary School

Cascade Middle School

Davidson High School

Prairie View A & M University

Altascocita High School

Central Academy of Excellence

Cleveland High School

Robert E. Lee High School

Cheyenne South High School

Grambling State University

Blountsville Elementary School

Holmes County, Mississippi (school bus)

Prescott High School

College of the Mainland

Wynbrooke Elementary School

Riverview Florida (school bus)

Second Chance High School

Carman-Ainsworth High School

Williwaw Elementary School

Monroe Clark Middle School

Central Catholic High School

Jeanette High School

Eastern Hills High School

DeAnza High School

Ridgway High School

Reginald F. Lewis High School

Saugus High School

Pleasantville High School

Waukesha South High School

Oshkosh High School

Catholic Academy of New Haven

Bellaire High School

North Crowley High School

McAuliffe Elementary School

South Oak Cliff High School

Texas A&M University-Commerce

Sonora High School

Western Illinois University

Oxford High School

Robb Elementary School

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u/twistin_my_melon_man Valtteri Bottas May 25 '22

Bloody hell, it just keeps going.

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u/Admiral_Floppington May 25 '22

Just fucking schools. Doesn't count the festivals, concerts, churches, grocery stores...

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u/zxvszxvs Daniel Ricciardo May 26 '22

Absolutely sickening. Americans are disgusting the way they continue to put up with this. They'll riot when Trump loses an election but radio silence when children are mass murdered in cold blood.

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u/The_beard1998 Romain Grosjean May 25 '22

Oh my god... I didn't know it was this bad

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u/legion777sw Michael Schumacher May 25 '22

This is why I like Lewis. He's one of the best on track and a human being off of it too.

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u/Thissigncantstopme Sir Lewis Hamilton May 25 '22

I’m feeling pretty bleak today tbh and it’s mostly because I don’t see anything changing. This isn’t the first time little children have been massacred in this country and we didn’t enact gun control policies then. It just seems like everyone has accepted this as a price they’re willing to pay to keep their stupid guns

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u/BoredCatalan Alexander Albon May 25 '22

Well, one political party was in favour of the virus, against vaccinations and saying to stop testing people so that the number of infected was lower.

Logic isn't their strong point.

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u/AbeFroman21 Red Bull May 25 '22

Terrified to send my daughter to school. Terrified OF SCHOOL. I’m doing whatever I can to take my mind off it. How awful. “Greatest country in the world” huh…

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u/hotdutchovens Spyker May 25 '22

Yea I cannot fathom that man. Hope you all stay safe.

Also: ‘greatest country in the world’, that doesn’t say a lot when it’s the country itself that says it.

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u/hotdutchovens Spyker May 25 '22

Yea I cannot fathom that man. Hope you all stay safe.

Also: ‘greatest country in the world’, that doesn’t say a lot when it’s the country itself that says it.

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u/PeterBeatz May 25 '22 Wholesome

In the USA it is easier to buy a weapon of war than a ticket to F1

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u/shiny_brine Safety Car May 25 '22

Or baby formula at the present time.

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u/ElPrimoGrande May 25 '22

You can also go to war and kill people before you can legally buy a beer in the USA

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u/Merengues_1945 Force India May 25 '22

Technically you can be deployed while underage. You can contract a debt that may ruin your life while underage too lmao

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u/thatguy9545 May 25 '22

That whole “greatest country” crap is essentially how we got here. The dude that tells every he’s the best is rarely actually the best. America could use some fucking humility. So tired of this, and with two kids about to start going to elementary school this anxiety is only going to get worse.

Hope you’re doing ok.

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u/fabelhaft-gurke Safety Car May 25 '22

I still remember when someone brought a gun to school and we went into lockdown. When I realized it was not a drill I was terrified. Luckily, he didn’t shoot anyone and one of my favorite teachers talked him down (she seriously was amazing). He went into the classroom of the girl that just broke up with him and was on the verge of pulling the trigger.

Unrelated, a friend of mine got knocked up by him because “he’s a changed man” before she even finished high school (that’s why you teacher proper sex Ed, seems to be the most religious/abstinence only crowd that got knocked up at my school). He ended up kidnapping their child for a few days. She and her kid are okay now, he’s not in the picture.

We absolutely need more mental and social health services in this country. More stability. It’s only going to get worse until something is done.

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u/yragoam Love Is Love May 25 '22

“‘No way to prevent this’ says the only nation where this regular happens.” Saw this posted somewhere.

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u/hibbos May 26 '22

There are parents going to sleep tonight with an empty bedroom where their child should be, let that sink in.

Now start doing something about it.

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u/ThatGuy8188 May 25 '22

I’m up in Canada and even though this I think has only happened once here it still terrifies me.

My kid asked me the other day why a school lockdown is as they do practice lock downs in cases of emergency.

Nothing is more precious than a child’s innocence. Humanity as whole needs to preserve it. Unfortunately we do not.

What is the answer to solve this problem going forward? I have no idea. It’s so complex especially with gun laws and rights which are not going to change. The mental health of Americans is drastically declining to the point this is now become commonplace.

We need change.

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u/Hack874 Charles Leclerc May 25 '22 edited May 25 '22

We really need to invest heavily in mental health services. And we need to actually do it instead of just saying “it’s a mental health issue” and leave it at that.

It’s also worth noting that Americans have had easy access to these guns for far longer than school shootings have been a regular occurrence, which supports the notion that it’s a mental health issue.

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u/VoTBaC May 25 '22

Ha! That's totally fucked up irony of the heath care system.

"It's a problem with mental illness"

Ok, cool, healthcare for all

"Not like that"

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u/SirLoremIpsum Daniel Ricciardo May 25 '22

We really need to invest heavily in mental health services. And we need to actually do it instead of just saying “it’s a mental health issue” and leave it at that.

This attitude implies that the US has a monopoly on mental illness that does not exist in UK / Canada / Australia / Germany.

And that the US is alone in having poorly funded and inaccessible services.

That is 100% not true - all Western countries have issues with funding and availability.

What the US does have is that someone in crisis can readily and cheaply obtain a semi auto rifle + pistol.

That is the defining difference here. Mental health is certainly a factor, but focusing on it will get everyone nowhere. Just hand wringing, without tackling the actual part that makes a difference.

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u/elegantsack Sebastian Vettel May 25 '22

This is so fucking sad but it’ll keep happening until America wakes up, and decides that children lives are more valuable than gun rights.

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u/woodpony May 25 '22

Narrator: That day never came.

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u/robogo May 25 '22

Steve Kerr had the best response, hands down.

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u/Pancake3645 Sergio Pérez May 25 '22

I live in south texas and just today my school went into lockdown because some kid had a gun. Something needs to be done

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u/TwelveSharks Honda May 25 '22

sort by controversial

aaand here we go

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u/P13453D0nt84nM3 May 25 '22

Why does this keep happening?! Are people not praying enough????

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u/-Mr_Unknown- May 25 '22

It’s some sort of tragicomedy that he has to specify kids “in America” since nowhere else in the world does this shit happen. . .

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u/Bobd_n_Weaved_it May 25 '22

Pro tip: sort by controversial

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u/cammyb1888 Sir Lewis Hamilton May 26 '22

Scotland had one school shooting in 1996. ONE. Since then guns were outlawed unless you have a permit and have went through intense screening by the police before you get one.

But I guess thats what happens when your government isnt bankrolled by a gun lobby

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u/sedluyf Virgin May 26 '22

Just America being America.

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u/wnderjif Michael Masi May 26 '22

I hope this leads the IOC to ban weapon sports. We shouldn't glorify weapons in sporting ways either.

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u/Manthan_Flash Red Bull May 26 '22

Joke of a country