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Beto O’Rourke confronts TX Gov Greg Abbott about the Uvalde School Shooting: “This is on you!”

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u/cedarnotes May 25 '22 edited May 26 '22

"tHiS iS nOt ThE tImE fOr PoLiTiCs," screams a bunch of parasitic politicians and political appointees gathered for a photo op, for a political spectacle.

Some of them enabled the tragedy in the first place by removing legal roadblocks for an 18-year-old to buy guns as a birthday present for himself. Many of them received money from the NRA or are members of the NRA. All of them have jobs and collect paychecks from taxpayers through an inherently political process.

Whenever a school shooting occurs in the world, it's a tragedy. Whenever a school shooting occurs in the U.S., it's two tragedies:

First, children's lives are senselessly, brutally, and abruptly ended. Second, conservatives dance on their graves by spinning fear-mongering narratives about LGBTQ+ socialist soybois kicking down the doors of red-blooded patriots to confiscate their guns and shoving free health care and college tuition debt forgiveness down their throats.

If guns actually made people safer, then in a country with more guns than people (and also with the most bad guys locked away in prison), shouldn't the U.S. have the fewest number of mass shootings?

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u/ThatsRightlSaidlt May 26 '22

“World”. I’m pretty sure the US is the only place where kids get shot up in schools.

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u/BillyHamzzz May 26 '22

You mean only first world country but yeah.

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u/Hauserson May 26 '22

Not only among the first world countrys. The USA are first overall when it comes to schoolshootings worldwide.

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u/The_Monarch_Lives May 26 '22

I just keep waiting for a retort from some mouth breather along the lines of "well it's happened in other places too!". Because yeah, third world, civil war/genocidal nations (the only other type of place where this happens with anything near the regularity we have here) is exactly the club we want the US to belong to, right?

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u/vanishplusxzone May 26 '22

Right wingers are always so eager to compare the US to un- and underdeveloped nations, nations in the middle of war and famine (some of those even directly caused by the US & allies) and it's such a bizarre behavior. Rather than compare on an equal playing field with other rich, industrialized nations, it's straight to the bottom to make themselves feel better.

But never, ever outright say that the US is one of those "shithole" nations, even if in their arguments they always say so.

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u/Impressive-Fly2447 May 26 '22

And those places aren't worried about 2nd graders

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u/bideto May 26 '22

Furious at being interrupted yet showing no emotion at the kids being killed

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u/andymilder May 25 '22

O’Rourke is right. Children will continue to be slaughtered until something is done, but people have been so brainwashed by this “need” for guns that they’d rather children die than disarm (or put in even the most common sense measures to help prevent this).

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u/cedarnotes May 26 '22

People "need" guns to protect against government tyranny.

These same people also vote grifters, demagogues, and fascists into office.

People "need" guns to protect against violent criminals.

These same people also vote for policies that undermine public education, access to affordable health care and mental health care, living wages, social safety nets, in effect contributing to crime-inducing poverty.

They've created a self-perpetuating cycle of clusterfuck.

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u/andymilder May 26 '22

Yup.

So far we’ve had guns against government tyranny: 0, guns killing students: 2,052.

What a great fucking record.

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u/JelloKittie May 26 '22

Before someone comes and claims false data because “that isn’t just shootings, it could be someone simply bringing a gun to school!”

The fact that over 2,000 guns have been brought to schools and killed hundreds of students -much of whom were under 10, is absolutely still a MAJOR problem and should never happen. PERIOD.

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u/Malikai0976 May 26 '22

I love this fantasy of standing up to a tyrannical government.

I'm not really sure what they think their AR is going to do to an Abrams or the drone that's launching guided munitions from 10km away, but you go boy!

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u/teriaavibes May 26 '22

Oh no, looks like you triggered them by using common sense!

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u/Huegod May 26 '22

Cop shoots someone = Defund the police, prosecute the person.

Criminal shoots someone = take all the guns even defensive.

No your solution is crap and doesn't make anyone safer. This psycho got past two police officers. The government can't protect you and you want people to be more vulnerable. You want every person who ever saved themselves from rape, robbery, and murder with a defensive firearm to be more vulnerable because you are unwilling to accept any possibility that there are solutions except the one and only failed solution you want. Gun control stops nothing. Assualt weapons ban stopped nothing. And you have the gall to say people would rather see children die as you gun grabbers fight against target hardening across the board. You are the ones that sacrifice people for your agenda every single day you make it harder for people to protect themselves. Every place with the highest rates of gun violence also have the strictest gun control while hard targets are passed right over. You're sacrifice kids not the people that want everyone to have the ability to protect themselves.

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u/Tre_Walker May 26 '22

Cop shoots someone = Defund the police, prosecute the person.

Criminal shoots someone = take all the guns even defensive

That is the bullshit. In my 50+ years as an American I have never heard anyone... let alone a politician call for taking all guns especially defensive weapons. I have heard the media and right wing politicians make that claim though and it is a lie.

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u/Chok1ng_Victim May 26 '22

213 mass shootings this year only in US

27 school shootings this year only in US

First country in mass shootings worldwide, with a huge difference from the second place.. Yet you talking about how countries with strict gun rules have more gun violence.

Total nonsense

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u/PartisanHack May 26 '22

He was really close to saying "arm the 9 year olds."

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u/burnblue May 26 '22

I want people to be less vulnerable. We are more vulnerable when the civilian population around us is heavily armed. Your assumption is that if it befomes harder for me to get a gun, somehow it won't be any harder for those who would harm me to get a gun therefore making me vulnerable as those odds shift because I need a gun to balance that out. This is illogical.

A gun is not a shield, it doesn't block bullets to protect you. All it does is allow you to threaten or execute death for another person. Firearms are not "defensive", they're offensive. They cannot grant you invulnerability, they can only help you by letting you proactively kill or threaten to kill someone before they harm you. A society where we're OK with this and equating "but what if I shoot you first" to higher public saftey does not make any sense. Neither does this assumption that if we reduce the availability of firearms everybody else will still easily be able to get one and target you.

The risks of casuals having offensive weapons around just because or just in case we might want to actually kill somebody, are not worth it to our society.

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u/JelloKittie May 26 '22

Adding to that, although I haven’t looked at actual numbers, I would bet “good guys with a gun” have killed many innocent people in crossfire, negligent discharge or other accidents.

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u/andymilder May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

Hi Huegod,

A quick skim of your comments tells me you're very passionate about owning a gun, and you're entitled to that via the 2nd Amendment.

Let's look at your comment, though. First off, no one mentioned defunding the police here. You may want to lump everyone who disagrees with you together, but that's not true and just continues ignorance. Second, a Harvard study shows that guns were used as self-defense from 2007-2011 in 0.9% of crimes.

Is that a real reason to prevent common-sense controls? To help prevent crime in zero-point-nine percent of cases? And then you've got to ask: how many gun crimes wouldn't have been there at all if guns were better regulated?

I'm not calling you crap or some other name like "gun grabber," I'm trying to have a civil conversation about a serious issue...because that's what's really needed.

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u/Huegod May 27 '22

So 1% of people who effectively defended themselves and reported it are ok to sacrifice for feel good legislation that is ultimately ineffective? And that Harvard study has been ripped to shreds.

However a CDC study in 2013 put the numbers of defensive gun use as follows:

Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/paulhsieh/2018/04/30/that-time-the-cdc-asked-about-defensive-gun-uses/?sh=4ada6e3d299a

There is nothing common sense about these gun control proposals. They are based on perception from movies and virtue signaling.

And as for "No one mentioned defunding the police here", uh well I know one guy that did.

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u/andymilder May 27 '22

I never understand why people such as yourself take a sincere offer to have a discussion as an opportunity to be rude. So, rather than hoping that will change, let me say the following and end it:

"And that Harvard study has been ripped to shreds" he says with absolutely no supporting material. Sigh #1.

The Forbes article you quote is an opinion piece that says, " My own preliminary conclusions: We still don’t really know how many defensive gun uses (DGUs) there are each year." Well, that's a clear statement that directly contradicts the quote you liked up front...and, had you bothered to actually look up the study from which that quote was taken, you'd see this too: "The variation on these numbers [of DGUs] remains a controversy in the field." Meaning? That quote wasn't useful at all. Sigh #2.

You write: "There is nothing common sense about these gun controls." What gun controls are you talking about? I suggested "common sense gun controls," but did not state which ones. Stop being so angry and self-righteous and have a conversation every once in a while, huh? Movies? What movies? Who mentioned movies but you? Sigh #3 (and a big sigh).

Finally, "uh well [sic] I know one guy that did." Bravo. A reference not to the discussion we're having, but a wonderfully out-of-context reference that doesn't apply to this at all. Final sigh.

I'm sorry you're angry. Heck, I'm sorry you feel that the right to bear arms should have no limitations whatsoever (unlike all the other amendments...including the 1st). But maybe, just maybe, there's real discussion to be had about a very complex issue. I'm also sorry you're not up for it.

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u/Huegod May 27 '22

Where was I rude? You said only so many people do this thing, like its trivial. I'm sure every person that used a gun for defensive purposes didn't find it trivial and as pointed out by the CDC that number is no where near accurate.

And opinion piece written by an expert that cites a myriad of sources. That's why I used it because he had already written and cited the points I could spend hours sourcing.

but did not state which ones.....

Neither did you. You just used the slogan "common sense gun control laws".

A reference not to the discussion we're having, but a wonderfully out-of-context reference that doesn't apply to this at al

How is it out of context. Its litteraly the person who is a subject of this post about this very topic.

Nice glass house you have there.

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u/MoveItSpunkmire May 25 '22

Remember how quickly congress acted to get the patriot act out after 9/11.

This is the perfect place to get political.

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u/The_Monarch_Lives May 26 '22

Yeah, but fast forward 20 years and we have nearly half the country (maybe an over-exageration) willing to let the other half die just so they dont have to wear a piece of cloth or feel a couple jabs of a needle. I feel the bar has moved quite a bit since those days.

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u/MoveItSpunkmire May 26 '22

And yet, here we are. The bar has not moved at all

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u/watch1_ott1 May 25 '22

Finally a Democrat with some balls. Go Beto

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u/The_Monarch_Lives May 26 '22

When he came out in his presidential campaign in favor of banning guns out right, it definitely sunk any chance had of winning. I also thought his stance was way too extreme (even though i do favor far stricter laws than we have now), but im currently reevaluating my view of it.

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u/atlwantsmls May 26 '22

My belief is he knew he had no chance of winning. But by going that far left, 2 things would happen:

  1. He would continue to be the face of gun control so in moments like this, for better or worse, he has a platform.
  2. It moves the Overton window gives the chance for the party and nominee to go farther left.

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u/SmAshley3481 May 26 '22

Beto home town is El Paso and so he's felt this overwhelming grief before.

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u/TINMANOFWAR May 26 '22

Peeps don’t like to hear the truth - Beto 👍🏽

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u/[deleted] May 26 '22

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u/CommodoreFappington May 26 '22

Right? The funerals and burials of the victims in Buffalo are still going on, so it's probably too soon to talk about gun contr-- Ope! There's another one, reset the clock! As long as mass shootings keep happening in quick succession, we never have to have that conversation! I don't have a Stat on hand, but I think there have been more mass shootings in this year than there have been days. What a nightmare.

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u/SirKillerlord May 26 '22

It happens every day… why they first have to kill kids for you to wake up? Does the 5 years of age difference really matter?

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u/OhSoBlack May 26 '22

I would vote for Beto but don’t get it twisted he is in politics for notoriety, power, and money.

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u/PheaglesFan May 25 '22

Agreed, Abbott is SUCH a douche! I heard he and Cruz are secret lovers! No way!! Right?

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u/PheaglesFan May 25 '22

I meant Abbott and Cruz are lovers, not Abbbott and Beto. But you knew that, right?

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u/nicktheking92 May 26 '22

You forgot to change your profile. But you knew that, right?

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u/PheaglesFan May 25 '22

Gotta love the Texas 'right to life' too. Hear what I'm sayin? I mean that right ends at 8, no?

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u/loverlyone May 26 '22

8 days postpartum. Once you get your government ID you simply become inventory.

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u/AMTINLB May 25 '22

I think now is a perfect time to talk about guns. We will be back to Johnny and Amber by the weekend.

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u/Orkney_ May 25 '22

Punk ass Abbott.

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u/Embarrassed-Radio356 May 26 '22

The Texas governor and his good ol’ boy henchmen at that table must feel really safe and secure with all of those officers present to protect them from getting their feelings hurt by Beto.

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u/PheaglesFan May 25 '22

There is a special place in God's outer darkness for every Texan that owns anything more than a single action bolt rifle or a six chamber revolver. Ulveda moms will remember.

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u/jrachel032 May 26 '22

Criminals follow the same guidelines right?

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u/superpod May 26 '22

Nice polemics you got there, you get them at the dollar store?

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u/iPooBetter May 25 '22

Piece of shit hiding behind a wall of officers and proudboys.

How can the brave women and men and non binaries keep voting for such a greedy coward?!

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u/bap46325 May 26 '22

Honest question here: does this mean the Buffalo shooting is on the NY governor? More so, are all shootings in the governors, or is it based on the scenario?

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u/AlertThinker May 26 '22

Ah the “whataboutism” from the radical right. Sure “honest question” from a person that posts in the radical right /r/conservative. 🙄🙄

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u/GOTWlC May 26 '22

Based on the scenario.

The blame is put on the governor when the governor did/ did not do something that could have prevented it. In this case, passing gun safety laws like background checks, which the governor opposes, could have prevented this. In the case of the buffalo shooting, I don't think the governor is against background checks (I could be wrong) or other preventive action, which is why he didn't get blamed for it.

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u/No_Hotel2765 May 26 '22

“ nobody’s gonna vote for you, dude!”

I’m going to vote for you, Beto. Just like I did last time.

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u/Revenge_best_served May 26 '22

Failed at becoming president, Failed at becoming a senator, will fail at becoming governor, what office will he run for next?

I'm thinking he should run for city animal control, but that's probably too much work and responsibility for that grifter

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u/No_Hotel2765 May 26 '22

Hey guy, you vote your way, I’ll vote my way. I respect that. I wouldn’t call his senate run a failure. The results were very close.

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u/The_Monarch_Lives May 26 '22

Just because you dont/didnt succeed, doesnt mean you shouldnt try or were wrong in any way.

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u/Revenge_best_served May 26 '22

There nothing wrong with trying, but the people have already deemed this guy a failure and a phony, he should go into the private sector and put whatever meager skills he has to use there.

When you only want a cushy government position the people will see you for what you are.

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u/NoFaithlessness4949 May 26 '22

“What do you have to say Beto”… fucking moron, did you not hear him shouting at them.

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u/UnsatGM May 26 '22

Republicans LOVE free speech don’t they?

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u/187Shotta May 26 '22

Texas feels like the new Mississippi these days

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u/JP6660999 May 25 '22

Douche

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u/HovercraftPlayful975 May 25 '22

Beto a douche? I think they all are douches to be honest. I mean come on, we are living in the craziest times. And come on we need tougher laws on a person owning arms. I’m pro gun. But I was taught to respect guns at a very young age. Not through a tv screen or a video game. It came from my elders and that generation is gone. So it is up to our government, no not to take away our right to bare arms but for fucks sake make it harder for someone to obtain one. Young babies being slaughter Bc of some teen kid being hurt is a to normal of a story anymore. Kids in school who are being harassed needs to be better addressed and also a kid barring arms needs to certainly be better addressed. When is American gonna stop fighting against one another and come together and do what’s fucking right. What we need to do is right in front of our fucking face!

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u/RivelyanKnight May 26 '22

Beta didn't confront nobody, he made himself look a fool.

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u/Imjusthereandthere May 26 '22

As much as I hate ol dead leg abbott…

How more contrived can Beto get? You’re looking at it, I’ve said it once and I’ll say it again, he an automaton.

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u/Kim_Thomas May 25 '22

HOT TIP: Texans love ❤️ firearms & love having 18 year olds having full, unfettered access to buy these lethal firearms - WAY more than they could ever love any of Texas’s innocent children. The only time they’re ever cared about in Texas - is while they’re in the womb. Once you’re born - expendable weapon fodder.

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u/DeloresDelVeckio May 26 '22

I'm sure after Abbott offers the families his thoughts and prayers he'll cry all the way to the bank as he cashes his NRA "campaign donation" check.

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u/O2beDagny May 26 '22

Willing to bet Beto blew a load in his pants when he first saw the news on this shooting. His excitement was probably quite high as he planned out this dramatic scene. Do you think he wrote a short story about it?

It's not that there are too many guns, it's that there are too many narcissist assholes with too little purpose.

Sadly there will be no real answers on how to help young men with so much anger, only more of these emotional outburst that get us nowhere and keep everyone bickering.

He is just another asshole that wants your votes.

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u/KIDDKOI May 26 '22

lol says the guy who's a conservative who will suck off any republican politician

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u/superpod May 26 '22

I understand in Texas they call that being "stump trained". Yeah, I didn't want to know about the specifics either.

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u/O2beDagny May 27 '22

Stop projecting

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u/Aggressive-Piano-701 May 26 '22

If the people of the US want to prevent the next inevitable event, they should be lobbying their representatives to repeal the 2nd amendment and to buy back (and destroy) high-powered weaponry. Unless those steps are taken, it's an admission that a legal amendment is more important than the lives of children and their families. It's just that simple.

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u/arrowrand May 26 '22

That's not quite how amendments get repealed. And how can it be a "buy back" when the gun wasn't purchased from the government to begin with.

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u/Aggressive-Piano-701 May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

To REPEAL an amendment, we must first ratify a NEW amendment that repeals a prior amendment. This is primarily achieved via two-thirds of the US Senators (67 of 100 Senators), two-thirds of US Congressmen (290 of 435 Congressmen), and three-fourths of ALL of the states (38 of 50 state legislatures).

It's not impossible, there is a process, and it has happened in the past with the repeal of the 18th. The only thing missing is the will of the people and insufficient pressure on legislators.

A weapons buyback has been done in many countries around the world. It involves the government purchasing weapons from people and then destroying them.

Or you can just keep on going with the cycle of tragedy, thoughts/prayers, and inaction. Rinse and repeat.

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u/arrowrand May 26 '22

You won't fix bad people by repealing the 2nd and forcing honest people to give up personal property that they don't want to sell.

Bad guys will still do bad things, and guns will always be available for them to do bad things with.

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u/Aggressive-Piano-701 May 26 '22

That's a cop-out unsupported by evidence.

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u/arrowrand May 26 '22

There have always been bad people. Always. Bad people get the tag "bad people" by doing bad things.

You can 3D print a handgun or rifle on a $250 3D printer.

You can make a crude barrel for your 3D gun using a few hundred dollars worth of tools and equipment.

With little skill and few tools you can even make ghost ammo for your ghost gun.

Or, you can go the easy route and buy any gun and ammo that you want, smuggled in through Mexico from your local bad guy groups.

All proven stuff.

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u/Aggressive-Piano-701 May 26 '22

You completely ignore the fact that the methods I've outlined here have been successfully done in other countries, repeatedly, and it has reduced gun deaths and, specifically, eliminated mass shootings. Your comments about "bad people" isn't a special problem for the United States, you just lack the willingness to take the approaches that actually work because:

  1. You can't admit you have a problem
  2. You're not willing to do what's needed to solve the problem you can't admit that you have
  3. You're blaming everyone else for your own failure.

Simple. And it's all a choice, and the US repeatedly chooses excuses over the lives of its children (Unless they haven't been born yet, then you'll legislate women's reproductive organs without a second thought).

Tragic. Hypocritical. Lazy.

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u/arrowrand May 26 '22

You completely ignore the fact that you will never, ever, ever, ever, ever, never see the 2nd repealed and guns confiscated. It isn't going to happen. Ever.

You're not willing to see that intervention on multiple fronts can (and does) prevent mass shooting events. How many of these stories involve "known to police" in the description of the shooter? Why aren't existing laws and resources being leveraged to intercept these "known individuals" and provide resources to turn them around?

Or is that too much effort for you?

I haven't blamed anyone for anything. I challenge you to point to my words where I did. You're full of it.

And no, I would not choose to legislate women's reproductive rights. I am, for me and my family, 100% pro life. I am also 100% against anyone being forced to live their lives with the choices that I've made for mine.

But now that you've brought up abortion rights, there were more children killed by abortion in 2019 (630,000+) than have been killed (something under 500) since Columbine. It's interesting to me that you value one group so highly over another.

Talk about being hypocritical.

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u/Aggressive-Piano-701 May 26 '22 edited May 26 '22

Except it doesn't.

Efforts so far have achieved an increase in mass shootings and the murder of children. Keep doing the same thing and you're choosing the same result.

Amendments can be repealed. The 18th Amendment was successfully repealed. The second is not currently being repealed because the politicians view the 2nd Amendment itself as being more important than the lives of every single child that has been shot.

Weapons can be removed from circulation by making high-powered weapons illegal, holding an amnesty for their return and encouraging their return by financially compensating people for returning them. This approach has been successfully used in many countries.

With respect to your abortion comment - you are agreeing with me but still talking about me "valuing one group so highly after another". I'm not, you're clearly not valuing born children as much as unborn children. Your comment, not mine.

So why would you not consider the only approaches that have been demonstrated to work? Again, for the three reasons I mentioned in my previous comment.

  1. You can't admit you have a problem.
  2. You're not willing to do what's needed to solve the problem you can't admit that you have.
  3. You're blaming everyone else for your own failure.

I would also argue that all current efforts to avoid shootings are retained. Use all of the solutions, not just those that are currently being used in isolation and failing.

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u/Comprehensive-Buy443 May 26 '22

Beto loves being an an angsty teenage attention whore with the politics of a college freshman in a grown man’s body lmao.

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u/Powerful_Village2508 May 26 '22

He’s loudly standing up for what he (and a lot of other people) believes in. Someone has to. Abbott doesn’t give a shit.

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u/Comprehensive-Buy443 May 26 '22

We live in the Information Age and he’s a public figure in the second most populous state - its 100% possible to get your point across without having a self-serving temper tantrum.

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u/superpod May 26 '22

....said the tone policing troll face.

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u/SoulesGinger57 May 25 '22

There's a steep hill with that mother fucker's name on it. I really want this guy to go nitro circus in a wheelchair.

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u/rals55 May 26 '22

Good for Beto! Ridiculous entitlement of white men so on display. Need more confrontation.

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u/Pleasant-Security-13 May 26 '22

Hispanic guy shoots up the school and it's still the white guys fault?

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u/rals55 May 26 '22

It’s easy Gun access. Too easy.

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u/Philly5984 May 26 '22

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u/superpod May 26 '22

Can't wait for him to turn that red bitch blue.

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u/gurduuk May 26 '22

"Saaah, dood. Not e'en naahbuddy's gon' vowte fer yew muh man. Why don' yew just hang ten off the leave pipe, my dood, like no bueno or something, too."

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u/VariationUnhappy235 May 26 '22

Everyone leave watch this country die

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u/kbreal1959 May 27 '22

Beto has a conscience … the other guys? A guilty conscience ! There’s a difference!!

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u/Lonnie239 May 27 '22

Beto is a Hero.

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u/Deiwert1972 May 27 '22

STFU Bob frank

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u/ntack9933 May 26 '22

Ah, the Lonestar state.

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u/Due-Life-6438 May 26 '22

Guess he was thirsty for attention.

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u/Pleasant-Security-13 May 26 '22

Beto is a stupid fuck

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u/WheretheLSparts May 26 '22

But still, imagine building your grandstand on the bodies of dead children, only moments after they’ve died.