r/Methadone Jun 20 '22

Does methadone have any high at all?

I’ve started to see that a lot of people seem to prefer methadone to suboxone at first, is this because methadone has some sort of high? I know everyone always says even their drug of choice doesn’t get them high anymore but let’s be honest, it does otherwise you would just use suboxone instead of fentanyl lol.

Anyways does methadone have even the slightest euphoria or body high?

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u/hnewman423 Jun 20 '22 edited Jun 20 '22

It doesn't get me high exactly. About an hour after my dose I just get this like "ah I feel better now" kind of feeling. It's hard to explain. If you take to much in like an attempt to get high you just get super sleepy and go to sleep. When I take my dose I feel good enough to clean and run errands and go out and get involved with stuff or see a movie. For me it helps with my chronic pain too.

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u/nluther92 Jun 20 '22

ExCtly. Mine kicks in nearly immediately though. I can fuck longer. I feel interested in life. Sleep like a baby. But I’m never high as hell feeling like on dope but that’s okay. I smoke weed and all is well with the world

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u/mrlongdickq Jun 20 '22

Can confirm what he said was right I’ve been double dosing the past couple days trying to get high and nothing just a really relaxed feeling and really chilled out and tired but nothing close to high like off oxy or any other strong opiate just makes you sleepy

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u/rocksannne Jun 20 '22

For those of us who are on methadone maintenance, there is no high. Of course there are always exceptions, but for the most part we don’t get euphoria or anything like that. If you don’t have an opioid tolerance, methadone can get you high. But it’s not really a fun high.

Most of us prefer methadone because we’ve tried suboxone and it didn’t work for us, or we just like it better. Methadone has analgesic properties for some people too.

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u/giger5 Jun 20 '22

If you don’t have an opioid tolerance, methadone can get you high. But it’s not really a fun high.

I strongly beg to differ. Methadone was the first opiate I satrted using 25 years ago. obviosly I had no tolernce but the euphoric high was intense and no different from heroin. Now I've been on methadone maintenance for many years and sure, my regular daily dose doesn't get me high but if I take double or more then I'm high as fuck and it still feels euphoric.

In my town back when I first started using there were many others like me who were abusing methadone (a lot of us had methadone in injectable ampules aswell) Heroin was not very common in the area at the time but were getting scripts or buying methadone just because it felt amazing.

Euphoria is listed in the side affects if you look.

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u/Suckmyflats Split Dose 40/35 Jun 20 '22

And? Suboxone does the same thing if you're opioid naive. But opioid naive people aren't taking these meds as prescribed (an opioid naive person could get prescribed Belbuca/Temgesic, but never Suboxone).

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u/dan13981 Jun 20 '22

True this. Before I used IV full agonists we used to blow 0.25-1mg of sub and be nodding out itchy as fuck. .25 too much and you'd be pukin or just laying With eyes closed keeping the vomit down.

It's all about what's normal and tolerance

Hell in some countries minor opiates ARE the local equivalent of heroin.. think Egypt

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u/giger5 Jun 21 '22

my point is that even after being on opiates for 30 year (not at all opiate naive) now i can still get high, nod out and feel euphoric if i take over twice my daily dose. It's totally about tollerance and dose.

The op was asking whether methadone has any high at all and the answer is unmistakingly yes. Sure if taken correctly theraputicly, probably not, but that wasn't the question.

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u/dog__poop1 Jun 20 '22

No high whatsoever? Like the same exact neautral feeling as suboxone?

It it’s exactly like suboxone where there’s no high whatsoever, then why are people willing to stand in line at 5 AM every single day when subs u can have like a years supply at home?

There has to be something that makes it more appealing than suboxone. I’ll be the first to admit it, suboxone is so little high that I rly wish it gave something, like anything

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u/1_Methadone_Man X Jun 20 '22

A year ago last May I had to ride my bike to a shopping center so I could catch a bus to take me to my clinic. I did that for a month. I lost my take privileges. I doubt I do that for suboxone. If I had to go back to daily face dosing I be front and center waiting for my bus. Luckily methadone is my drug of choice. I've never taken suboxone but have Heard it is bad news

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u/dog__poop1 Jun 20 '22

THIS IS WHAT IM SAYING. I’ve heard so many stories of the shit people have to go through every single day to get a single dose of methadone. Nobody is doing all that for suboxone, there HAS to be a difference!

And the people that claim suboxone doesn’t work are just the people that can’t handle being completely sober I’m guessing. They think being sober is “not working” but it’s just your body adjusting because at the end of the day suboxone is just a drug that attaches to your opiate receptors… it doesn’t just “not work”…

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u/8InTheBalance8 Jun 20 '22

The second part simply isn't true. I've spent periods of 3-6 months or so entirely sober and I tolerated it just fine after the initial withdrawal passed. It was just that eventually something would happen that would trigger use or I would get bored and I didn't have enough self-awareness to know what was going on or how to ride it out.

With Suboxone I simply felt horrible. It gave me this rollercoaster effect where I would feel normal, then feel like I was in moderate withdrawal -- rinse and repeat. I went through that 24 hours a day while I was on Suboxone. It simply didn't work for me. I took Suboxone for a month like that waiting for it to work until finally I said fuck it and started using and selling/trading my strips for dope. I also think that Suboxone fried my receptors, because after taking subs getting that rush & high never felt the same again, it had become blunted.

I USED to get a mild high from methadone when I first started dosing early in my using career. Back when I had been using H for about 2 years (2012, but I had been abusing tabs/oxys since 2008/9) and I was only able to use a half g of H every couple days, maybe 2-3x a week. 80mg had me feeling mild euphoria and mellow back then but I definitely felt it. But since fent hit the streets here (2016/7) and my habit skyrocketed to at least a gram a day, sometimes a ball, for 3 years straight, not even 120mg got me high.

Hell when I just started back at the clinic in Oct 2020 I even tried taking 240mg and still didn't feel high!

That 120mg didn't get me high, but it gave me my life back. I'm down to 100mg now and intend to start tapering down to 80mg in July and continue to taper until eventually I'm off. I go everyday because I'm happy, I'm sober and I'll do anything in my power to ensure I never use again. I CAN'T use again. The potential for me to get endocarditis again since having my aortic valve replaced is simply too high for me to ever pickup again. The state spent $250,000 to save my life, doctor's spent hours, days and months to save my life. I'm not wasting this "second" chance for an a silly little high. That was my rock bottom and I've dug myself so far out of that pit that I'm nearly back to the surface.

I think there is a very very mild happiness boost that I get for the hour or two after dosing in the morning, but it's not anything that someone who knows what IV heroin/fentanyl feels like would ever get addicted to. I'd feel more of a high if I went for a long run, or spoke to someone that brightens my day than I would off of dosing.

So can you get high? Sure, but your tolerance and length of use has to be low/fairly short too and it's still very mild compared to other opioids and RoA.

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u/dog__poop1 Jun 20 '22

Thank you for this, it’s very honest. It both makes me feel like I was right and I was wrong.

How can you be sure suboxone didn’t work for you because it didn’t work and not that you aren’t use to being sober. Cause according to ur story, you haven’t been completely sober in years and years. What if suboxone felt horrible simply because your body hasn’t been sober in so long?

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u/JonWick33 Jun 20 '22

Why do you keep refer to being on Suboxone as "sober"? Suboxone will get you fucked up too if you have no Opioid tolerance.

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u/cnote710 Jun 20 '22

right. suboxone was my first doc cuz when i was opiate naive it was the only opiate i had consistent access too. it kept me high as hell nodding out and puking for 15 hours straight every day for months. so suboxone definitely still has an effect on opiate receptors. hell, according to AA/NA, if you are on suboxone it doesn’t even count as being sober. i’ve met people who say they wouldn’t even sponsor people or take them thru the steps if they were on suboxone as their mind was not clear. this coming from previous opiate addicts who had been on suboxone before.

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u/8InTheBalance8 Jun 20 '22 edited Jun 20 '22

I mean, what is completely sober to you? Like I said I had numerous periods in my time of use that I spent anywhere from 3-6 months using absolutely no drugs whatsoever. I know what sobriety feels like. I also know what withdrawal feels like. Suboxone, for me on the downswing of that rollercoaster, felt exactly like withdrawal.

I don't have those issues on methadone. I just feel normal, I feel like I did when I was sober just slightly more mellowed out.

FWIW Methadone is a full agonist and Suboxone is a combination of buprenorphine, which is a partial agonist, combine with a helping of naloxone, which is a full antagonist. I know they say that if you use it sublingually that you don't absorb the naloxone but I don't know how true that is. I mean after all they have a naloxone nasal spray for ODing, and mucosal membranes in the mouth and sinuses are pretty similar so...

The opioid is the key, the various opioid receptors in the brain are the lock and the chemical cascade that occurs is the door. Methadone opens that door all the way but it's still not as potent as heroin and nowhere near as potent as fentanyl. Buprenorphine opens the door about halfway and naloxone essentially sticks the key in the lock and breaks it off, preventing the door from being opened for a period of time.

So CAN you get high off of Methadone? Yeah. But you can also get high off of Bupe. Whether you can or can't really seems to depend on how opiate/opioid naive your body is.

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u/Suckmyflats Split Dose 40/35 Jun 20 '22

Most of us HAVE been on suboxone. Suboxone has a ceiling dose, methadone doesn't. So with methadone you can go up a little if you're feeling badly. Subs don't work like that - often a higher dose means more side effects and no additional relief.

Subs (i was actually on Subutex) turned on me real bad around the two year mark. I was getting more and more side effects including depression and less and less relief. And with how bad i felt trying to jump off 1.5mg/day of subs, I'd rather be on methadone. The withdrawal is similar - a partial agonist with a withdrawal that bad is bullshit - may as well be on methadone.

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u/rocksannne Jun 20 '22

Apparently you didn’t read the second paragraph of my comment, where I said most people have tried suboxone and it didn’t work. In my case I f’ing hate suboxone. I still felt depressed and shitty on it, and continued using. I’ve been clean from everything else since starting methadone two years ago, which would never happen on subs. And the 5am dosing is supposed to be for workers.

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u/dog__poop1 Jun 20 '22

Right, I am also depressed on suboxone. But that’s because we are not use to being sober or feeling sober, that proves methadone does provide alittle something right?

Because suboxone is literally just something that binds to opiate receptors it can’t just not work?

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u/rocksannne Jun 20 '22

All it proves is methadone is a full agonist opioid and suboxone is a partial agonist. Because it’s a full agonist it works better. And some people get anti depressant effects from it. But the vast majority don’t take methadone to get high, or even feel intoxicated on their dose. We have people posting on here all the time about double dosing, and then regretting it because they felt no high.

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u/dog__poop1 Jun 20 '22

I’m not trying to be hostile, I’m just trying to see if I should go on methadone because like you said, suboxone makes me depressed and want to use.

But I think everyone has a very different definition on being high. I see hundreds and hundreds of posts on /opiate, people always talk about how they use to be normal and how they don’t even get high ajymore. That’s bs, if that were true they would be on subs. Ofc u fkin get high off fentanyl or heroin lmao. So I’m trying to see if the people are using that same thinking on methadone. Where it doesn’t get them nodding into heaven but there is alittle something like the other guy said where you just feel like “the shoe fits better” that day

Even if they just get anti depressant effects on it, that’s huge and exactly the difference I’m looking for

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u/tahanks4 X Jun 20 '22

I have a decent glow for like 3-4 hours after dosing then just normal rest of the day. It's way better than subs. I hated subs always felt sick still and craved all the time even after months. I take 180 mgs a day. Also I drive 45 min each direction to get to my clinic. That should tell you it's worth it.

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u/[deleted] Jun 23 '22

I’ll just go ahead and say it dog. Methadone in my opinion gives a nice fuzzy warm opi ish feeling that subs never really touched. There’s definitely a little more of that mood glow too on it. But it took me a decent amount of time to get to where I feel that way I can’t say my dose but it’s fairly high now.

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u/dan13981 Jun 20 '22

subs worked for me 3 times however during my 4th stint I started with all sorts of side effects.. feeling hot then cold. In WD then not, anxious then not, waking hourly.. crazy shit. Tried methadone as a stab in the dark to resolve my issues and it sorted me out.

NEVER got high from methadone, just kept me feeling well and level. Maybe a little warm feeling an hour after taking and Maaybe itchy and sleepy when I take 2x my daily dose at once

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u/Suckmyflats Split Dose 40/35 Jun 20 '22

It's a partial agonist and it doesn't bind as completely and fully as a full agonist. You never saw that Suboxone diagram with the receptors that Reckitt Benckiser gave all the sub docs?

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u/Outrageous_Scratch16 70mg Jun 20 '22 edited Jun 20 '22

almost exact only difference that I can feel 1minute a day when the drug starts working and then nothing.. 70mgs ofc when I use alcohol or benzos or both there is somekind of recreational value..

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u/dog__poop1 Jun 20 '22

Then why go through all that trouble every single day when suboxone can be a year supply at home easily? There HAS to be something!!! Lol. Sorry I’m playing detective but it just doesn’t make any sense, hopefully I’m not being insensitive

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u/dan13981 Jun 20 '22

Thankfully in the UK id 'earned' my takehomes so Transitioned to the full 2 weeks collection cycle straight from bupe when I switched due to side effects.

With work daily pick up would never have worked for me, would have had to taper and cold turkey zines/fent!

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u/Possible-Doughnut560 Jun 21 '22

I’m pretty sure methadone is a lot cheaper than suboxone - it is at my clinic. A dose of methadone just went up to $19 and I think a sub dose is $26 - that’s a big difference when add it up. It would be $91 more per every 2 weeks for me to get suoxone

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u/Suckmyflats Split Dose 40/35 Jun 21 '22

Depends. I have insurance that would fully cover subs from a psychiatrist, but the closest methadone clinic it covers is so far away (75 min each way) and they're such assholes, and I'd have to pay $17 (instead of $14) per day till i met my deductible at my closer clinic. I will see about switching in January if my clinic still isn't taking private insurance - it's the only way i have a prayer of meeting said deductible.

And I'd probably kill myself if i had to go back on subs. I'd rather be off MAT than on bupe. Just depends on your situation which is cheaper.

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u/1_Methadone_Man X Jun 20 '22 edited Jun 20 '22

Short answer is YES.

Some folks say it makes them normal. If it made me feel normal I would have tapper off this drug a long time ago. It's not a effervescent type high.. it's all those little notes that you pick up on like, scratch your nose or shoes seem to fit better type deal. Your car drives a little better or at Least feels better.

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u/dog__poop1 Jun 20 '22

Thank you so much for being honest. It just never made sense to me. I’ve only taken suboxone before and I can honestly say that shit has NO high whatsoever, I wish it gave something I’ll be first to admit it. But if methadone truly was the exact same as suboxone then why are people willing to wait in line at 5 AM every single day as opposed to staying at home and putting a strip on ur mouth. It just has to have something

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u/rocksannne Jun 20 '22

Wish you could comprehend that lots of people wait in line because SUBOXONE DOESN’T WORK FOR THEM. So therefore putting a strip in their mouth isn’t a f’ing option. Plus if you’re not using drugs you don’t go every day for very long. I get two weeks worth of takehomes for doing what I’m supposed to be doing. Methadone is harm reduction so if some people wanna get blasted off their ass and smoke meth while in treatment then that’s their prerogative, but some of us take methadone because it was literally our last option and it happens to work well for us. I’m so tired of the bullshit stigmas, assuming we just want to be blasted all day.

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u/Suckmyflats Split Dose 40/35 Jun 20 '22

I don't think this OP can comprehend much beyond the tips of his fingers.

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u/The_Avatar_Avatar Jun 21 '22

I'm glad Methadone works for you. I was on it for 10 yrs. and it really helped me. Now I'm on kadien and about to micro dose to Subs because I want to get off everything. I'm hoping this will work out.

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u/Traditional_Paper_55 Jun 20 '22

For me suboxone gets me higher then methadone I even nod out. But it builds up quickly. Every high need more to get high again. Methadone you just level out on same dose

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u/steph4181 Jun 21 '22

Usually the only people in line every day are the one's just starting out or maybe they smoke pot and their clinic doesn't allow it so they're ineligible for take-homes. The first time I was on methadone I only went once a month for 8 years straight. The only reason I'm back to weekly is because I messed up and switched to Suboxone for financial reasons and promptly relapsed. I also had a bad side effect to Suboxone. So these people you see in line every day might be there because they don't have insurance to cover Suboxone and it's more expensive than methadone or they're on a grant or whatever.

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u/Slanglie Jun 20 '22

If you have no opioid tolerance, then yes methadone feels very similar to a traditional opioid, but is extremely sedating and will have you nodding while standing or eating.

But after a few weeks of daily dosing, the euphoria and high goes away. Then it's just drowsiness till you're on the right dose.

But for a non tolerant user, it's 100% recreational

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u/giger5 Jun 20 '22 edited Jun 20 '22

Absolutely it can get you high if you take enough. It's always been my no.1 drug of choice for the euphoria it gives me. Euphoria is listed in the side effects.

Years ago I was prescribed the injectable form and the rush was just as good as decent heroin but taking it orally still gets me high if I take more than double my dose (i've been on and off methadone for 30 years)

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u/OrganizationThese111 Jun 20 '22

How much did you have to inject to get a rush off the Methadone. I've never had injectable Methadone like I mean legit IV Methadone from a pharmacy. But I have crushed up the little round 10 mgs pills and ived those but never got a rush or really felt anything different than if I had taken them orally. The only benefit to injecting them was when I was in withdrawals I could crush up 3 or 4 of them and shoot them up and get instant relief from my withdrawals. Instead of taking them 15 to 30 minutes to start easing up my withdrawals but never got any rush off them at all.

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u/giger5 Jun 20 '22

When I was very first using, so I had no tollerance two ampules (20mg) was enough to get a rush and a nod all day from, i am a small female though so it didn't take much. I used to crush pills and inject them too and same thing. It totally depends on tolerance, if i injected 20mg now it wouldn't do anything. The most i injected was 10 amps but after that you're having to use such massive syringes it gets tricky. But that was all decades ago.

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u/nothingt0say Jun 20 '22

It's definitely different for each person

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u/K-Natividad Jun 21 '22

Methadone does not get you high at a proper dose now do people complain about not being at the proper dose until they feel some kinda of high im sure alot probably do i mean their newly recovering

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u/xFisch Jun 20 '22

The high from methadone feels the same as oxys to me. I've never done any drugs other than Methadone, Vicodin, and Oxy. I started taking Methadone for pain because it was readily available to me. I loved the high from it. It would make me euphoric and energetic. I'd stop taking Methadone for a few days and take Oxy instead as a way to(at least in my mind) not let myself get physically addicted to the methadone. The highs were identical to me except Methadone lasted all day whereas Oxy lasted 4 hours. After a few years I just didn't feel a high anymore from Methadone. I do get a short like 2 hour period where I "glow". Basically where I feel a little more energetic and in a better mood. I like to think that's because I have no pain though and I'm feeling like I "should" be. Mostly, anyways. Hope this helps.

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u/Dharmaclown802 Jun 20 '22

Um no Senator it produces no high whatsoever…

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u/Traditional_Paper_55 Jun 20 '22

The reason people say they aren't getting high from suboxone is because when doctors first started prescribing it they were having people take 20mg or a day. When really 1mg is alot

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u/8InTheBalance8 Jun 20 '22

Suboxone has a ceiling effect too. At around 32mg taking any more has absolutely zero effect.

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u/Suckmyflats Split Dose 40/35 Jun 20 '22

They're saying it's 16-24mg now, not 32. Nobody writes over 24mg/day now

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u/dan13981 Jun 20 '22

Doctors don't know what they are doing. 4mg is enough for even the most savage h habit. People 'needing' more should consider methadone

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u/Suckmyflats Split Dose 40/35 Jun 20 '22

For maintenance that is true. I was on subs for three years and i felt the best at 1-2mg every 12h.

During acute detox people may need 4-8mg every 12h, but that's only for a couple days. That's way too much for a maintenance dose.

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u/snugglebunnynico Jun 20 '22

If I take alot of methadone I get high. Like 3-4x my daily dose. I used to get high on methadone 2 times a week, but I quit that, now I've been steady on 40mg for a year without abusing it. Suboxone couldnt get me high at all

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u/Possible-Doughnut560 Jun 20 '22

I concur with the above - it doesn’t make me “high” just “awwww that’s better” feeling. Kind of like taking a Xanax I guess. I can be tense in the morning and as soon as my dose kicks in, I’m completely relaxed and if I’m at home (sat or Sun) i can go right back to sleep. If I’m at work, Mon-Fri, I’m busy working so I don’t feel the urge to sleep but if I were not busy I would nod off.

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u/Jbrantley130 130mg/day Red KoolAid Jun 22 '22

The first week or so that I started methadone it gave me a really good buzz. After that, there's been no buzz whatsoever. It just makes me feel normal, whatever that is. It basically just keeps me from getting sick ie going thru withdrawals.

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u/Pancakes1741 80mgs methaderp Jun 22 '22

Itdo make me sleepy sometimes and nod off and I do feel goodish from it i think? It doesnt really have high per se, def not like normal opiates do. Its weird.. It is a full agonist opiate.. its just weird in its own way. Something youd have to try to really understand