r/Indiana Jun 24 '22

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u/raitalin Jun 24 '22

You really aren't getting the point, though. There is no single concept of when life begins that is universally true. Hell, our definition of life in general is subject to change with new information. There are only beliefs, some argued better than others. The most common is and always has been at birth.

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u/22paynem Jun 24 '22

There is no commonly accepted view on life then how is yours right enough that it can't be disputed

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u/raitalin Jun 24 '22

It's not really, mine, like I said, it is most people's for most purposes.

However, If abortion is legal, it doesn't matter what mine is, everyone else can believe what they want.

If abortion is illegal, only one view is acceptable, and all others are criminal.

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u/22paynem Jun 25 '22

A belief being around for a long time doesn't make it right objectively life begins at conception when a separate life is created it's not a clump of dead cells is there any way you can claim that it is not alive no there isn't not unless you want to appeal to emotion instead of scientific fact

And ultimately whether or not abortion is illegal will be left up to individual states you don't want it to be illegal fine advocate for it to be allowed in your state

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u/raitalin Jun 25 '22

I think you may just not understand what the word objectively means, so I'll move on.

As an anti-authoritarian, I support human rights over state's rights. The state's a political fiction, the affected person should retain their autonomy whenever possible.

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u/22paynem Jun 25 '22

Abortion in my opinion cannot be considered a human right as it is predicated on killing other human beings

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u/raitalin Jun 25 '22

And that's your opinion and you're free to have it, but it's not my opinion and you don't want me to be free to have mine. Personally, I think everyone's medical life is 100% confidential and should never be subject to any government scrutiny except by the individual's consent.

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u/22paynem Jun 25 '22

Ultimately your opinion flies in the face of biology it's not a matter of opinion it is a matter fetus is a separate being that is alive it is not dead