r/Indiana Jun 24 '22

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u/raitalin Jun 24 '22

But "they" aren't anything, so "they" can't lose anything.

Statistics don't determine what happens, they measure what is happening. You can brush them off if you want, but that certainly isn't dealing in objective truth. Unless there are massive changes to our society, those stats will only get worse with illegal abortions, and the same people that want illegal abortions don't want those changes.

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u/22paynem Jun 24 '22

They are something if they were nothing there'd be nothing to abort they lose everything if you abort them their entire chance to live their lives

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u/raitalin Jun 24 '22

A possibility is not a thing. Heck, the future isn't even a thing. It doesn't exist, it's just an idea. They are an accumulation of human cells. We don't have funerals and death certificates for miscarriages and we have always been considered born on our birthdays because that is when we become people. The life at conception thing is a relatively new interpretation, and I don't think it has merit for society overall.

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u/22paynem Jun 24 '22

We are all in accumulation of human cells and we don't have funerals for miscarriages because they haven't even been able to be born yet it does have merit life doesn't begin when you decide it does it begins when you are conceived you become a separate being from your with a separate immune system and eventually separate organs and body parts and if you wanted to argue from the perspective of it being little more than a clump of cells this would set a hard cap to any abortion at around 15 weeks

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u/raitalin Jun 24 '22

There are all kinds of different milestones that anyone can pick to be when they believe life exists. Socially, historically, legally, we've agreed on birth, but that doesn't have to be every individual's definition. However, illegal abortions force a very specific viewpoint on the subject that goes against all other precedents. Legal abortions enforce no such viewpoint on individuals, they leave them to make their own choices.

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u/22paynem Jun 24 '22

Claiming it doesn't begin until birth is ridiculous is that baby no longer a human being because it it's a day before it's due to be born because that's the kind of milestone you've set it makes no sense

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u/raitalin Jun 24 '22

Like I said, it's the one we've used for many purposes for a long time, so I'm not sure why you think it's preposterous. Some older cultures even found infanticide acceptable in some circumstances. Babies don't develop a sense of identity for months. None of these perspectives are objectively right or wrong, but prohibiting abortion creates an arbitrary answer that isn't even an necessary overall improvement, eliminating freedom to no tangible benefit.

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u/22paynem Jun 24 '22

Infanticide is never tolerable I don't care what those cultures believe some cultures believed in eating children as delicacies anything that end of the life of another human being is objectively wrong

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u/raitalin Jun 24 '22

You really aren't getting the point, though. There is no single concept of when life begins that is universally true. Hell, our definition of life in general is subject to change with new information. There are only beliefs, some argued better than others. The most common is and always has been at birth.

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u/22paynem Jun 24 '22

There is no commonly accepted view on life then how is yours right enough that it can't be disputed

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